torrents keeping music alive (sensible descusssion please)

[dripstep]

There is a time limit, but its over the top. Songs like"she'll be comin' round the mountain" are part of public domain. That's why Disney "releases, for the last time, from the vault" their old movies. It renews the copywrite.

[Patch]

Okay - I'll jump in...

If I've exhausted every avenue I can find, and still haven't been able to legitimately get my paws on a track that I love, damn right I'll check the torrent sites for it.

I love music - and I won't deprive myself of it if I can't GIVE my money to someone to provide me with it.

I'm quite happy to avoid/ignore the moral issue if it means I can listen to a tune I've looked for FOR YEARS in my car on the way to work in the morning.

I'll still nod my head like a mother-fucker with that shit on full blast (might even have the roof down with my shades on!) regardless of if I paid £40 for it on vinyl, or D/L'd it via torrent.

Music is great , I love it. It makes me happy and brings joy to my heart. There is no moral issue for me. It's all about what comes out of the speakers.

Don't make it hard for yourself. If you can lay your hands on something that'll bring you joy, fuckin' do it without a moments hesitation. Life is to short.

[narrah]

yes, yes they are

My opinion is this, If you have the means to pay, then support and pay... I pay for all of mine..... I dont have a problem swapping tracks with a fellow Dj, however it will only ever be a few. I still havnt got a good quality recording of "personal jesus - timo mass remix" and ive looked for it everywhere.

Next time he plays in Bali ill just have to ask him I guess.

[zestoi]

i did torrent a copy of odyssea to anyoona by jam and spoon the other month as i just couldn't find anywhere to buy it. i already own a couple of copies on vinyl and used to have it on their album on CD but chucked out all my cd's years ago. then i realised i had ripped that cd to wav anyway i was desperate to find it and it's not like i didn't own it already - but just not in digital format.

i don't see how buying 2nd hand is any more legal than torrenting. it's not helping the artists and if the original cd owner made a backup (which they are allowed to do) before selling you the cd who owns it now legally anyway?

also would love to buy a copy of "whale" by "witchcraft" as my copy on vinyl probably isn't going to make for a decent digital conversion. can't find that track anywhere...

[StephanV]

if the original cd owner made a backup (which they are allowed to do) before selling you the cd who owns it now legally anyway?

You, obviously. The sale implies a transfer of the license from him to you, which means the seller no longer owns the right to have a copy.

The thing about having a second-hand market is that it actually increases the value of stuff. When purchasing, say, a car for $6.000, you know that you'll be able to sell it later on and get some of that money back. If you didn't have this possibility, your willingness to pay $6.000 for the car would be a lot less, because it's simply become more expensive.
The very same is true for music. Indirectly, a second market generates revenue for the artists, because without it people would, on average, be willing to pay less for the music they purchase, bringing the prices down.


But enough with the theoretical bs already. If you can't find it within reasonable amount of effort, fuck it. As Patch said, life's too short.

[zestoi]

You, obviously. The sale implies a transfer of the license from him to you, which means the seller no longer owns the right to have a copy.

well not "obviously" else i wouldn't have asked tho more what i meant was whether i legally now own all my rips given that i binned all my actual cd's. i suspect i don't... tho seems dumb to have to keep the physical cd just to retain right to play the music.

not that i'm going to lose any sleep over that one track and will buy it legally if i ever find a download to buy...

[StephanV]

well not "obviously" else i wouldn't have asked

Sorry, didn't mean it that way!


Not sure about your case.. A lot of the copyright legislation is vague and/or outdated, I don't think situations like these are properly handled. Whether or not you theoretically legally own the right to have the copy, you have no means of proving your purchase (unless you kept the receipts), so whatever the case, you're pretty much screwed. Legally, at least.

[diezdiazgiant]

Maybe it's just that I was checking the wrong sites but years ago when i did trawl thru torrent websites, like the only music I could find was shit that was played out like crazy. I'm pretty sure thats why I stopped checking those shit sites - could only find music that was super popular and was sick of subjecting my computer to all the malicious code that's hidden in sites like pirate bay...

[tombruton69]

Maybe it's just that I was checking the wrong sites but years ago when i did trawl thru torrent websites, like the only music I could find was shit that was played out like crazy. I'm pretty sure thats why I stopped checking those shit sites - could only find music that was super popular and was sick of subjecting my computer to all the malicious code that's hidden in sites like pirate bay...

Where you using private sites that you have to be invited to link oink (dont worry mod's that site no longer exists)? These are the communities that are passionate about variety and quality of music. Public trackers are a waste of time for anything.

@zestori yes you do own your rips as they are your legal backup, however you can only make 1 copy using a cd duplicator, you cannot rip it to your pc, you are also allowed to make an analog format copy aswell. these are ur 2 allowed backups incase you loose ur origional

[Miec]

I wanted to add the point, that we are maybe comparing the wrong forms of media. I would say, that my "torrenting activities" have had very little influence on the music I actually buy. Instead torrented music has wiped another medium from my listening habits completely: The radio.

Before music became widely "available" for free, I would spend a similar amount on music to DJ with and a bit of extra cash for albums that weren't for DJing but felt special. This hasn't changed at all, the only difference is that when I wanted to listen to something else, I had to turn on the radio and hope that there was a station that would be playing something decent. Now I have the chance to create a personalized playlist without having to rely on some radio person to play music I like.

This only changed recently with services like Spotify. For home use, I now use Spotify and I am happy with it. But when I'm not at home, having the music on my phone still feels more convenient than relying on a streaming app. Especially since I'm one of the few persons without a unlimited internet plan on my phone (mainly because I live in different countries every 6 months).

I have yet to try out Spotify's offline mode in premium which could probably solve my issues but until I find the time to do that, I will keep my torrented music on my phone without feeling bad for it.

So am I the only one who used torrents for that? Should radio stations be more worried about pirated music than record labels? What other services are recommendable for legally listening to lots of music?