Sub-bass effects?

[cielomobile]

Thanks for the explanation, Bento. I think I'll just abandon this idea for the time being...maybe once I'm opening for Crookers I'll look back into it :P.

[wrong chris]

hmm interesting... but is it really necessary I wonder.. all songs are mixed/engineered so that everything is level. if you added more bass than you'd be fucking up how the rest of the levels sound in the track, which would create an imbalance and possibly distortion when you try to compensate by boosting the mid and hi eqs....

i'm not really sure I believe theres any credibility to this claim. but prove me wrong, i'd like to see if there's any truth to this story!

[cielomobile]

hmm interesting... but is it really necessary I wonder.. all songs are mixed/engineered so that everything is level. if you added more bass than you'd be fucking up how the rest of the levels sound in the track, which would create an imbalance and possibly distortion when you try to compensate by boosting the mid and hi eqs....

i'm not really sure I believe theres any credibility to this claim. but prove me wrong, i'd like to see if there's any truth to this story!

I'm not talking about just boosting the bass; yeah, that would mess everything up. I'm talking about adding sub-bass. Like another level of bass an octave below the other bass. Just an idea.

[Nephew]

Take the original track, add a filter so all you have is the low end, and transpose it down an octave. Add a compressor and side chain a kick so it doesn't distort on the normal kick.

First thing that came to mind as far as how to do it.

[derjay]

just to quote an old epic Beasty Boys track: remember - don't do it at home with your dad`s stereo... -

If you`re talking about transposing about an octave down from the lowest bass on the track you`de have to divide the frequency by two ie: normally a typical techno track has its bass somewhere around 40 hz, now what you`re talking about is cranking up the 20 hz frequency which is WAY beyond what most portable PA speakers will reproduce loud enought to give a faintly audible impression. Actually its quite close to the lowest frequency most ears will notice, hence beyond the range that most cheaper hifi or Pa drivers are constructed for. Typically you`de expect the minus 6 db point of an average PA subwoofer with a 15" driver to be between 35 and 40 hz with a sharp decline thereafter. THX subwoofers for movie reproduction go down much deeper but usually sound kinda crappy for music.

Anyway just generate a 20hz sine wave, crank up the volume, whatch the membrane move and think about doing that at an audible level in a cheapo venue and you'll see (not hear) what I´m trying to get across.

[Rumblejazz]

Take the original track, add a filter so all you have is the low end, and transpose it down an octave. Add a compressor and side chain a kick so it doesn't distort on the normal kick.

First thing that came to mind as far as how to do it.

this is exactly right. First thing that popped up in my head, too. Easiest way for sure.

Good thinking Nephew

[Lucid]

just to quote an old epic Beasty Boys track: remember - don't do it at home with your dad`s stereo... -

...only under hip hop supervision.

[Nephew]

this is exactly right. First thing that popped up in my head, too. Easiest way for sure.

Good thinking Nephew

Just trying to think how to automate the process now so it can be done live

[Rumblejazz]

in ableton you could route the main output into a new audio channel. Set up the filter, then have that going into the a octave shift ( down an octave -or two? - obviously) then add that back to the main mix.

I think you would have to be very careful with this, could end sounding very muddy. and the filter might have to be adjusted for each song.

[lethal_pizzle]

Interesting. I've heard a lot of people say that when playing 320k MP3s, the compression takes away the frequencies that you can hear, but not what you can feel.

For example, playing a WAV of a dubstep tune in a club is going to rattle your insides, but an MP3 won't. If there was some way of adding extra sub-frequencies from the intact higher frequencies in MP3's, that could be quite interesting.