Shying away from the whole all in one controllers...

[MaxOne]

I'm no A+H fan boy but... the DB2 has isolator EQs. Traktor (for some insane reason) doesn't provide isolator eqs.

Just sayin

Also, sometimes hardware can bring character and ergonomics to the party.

Personally, I only really like echo in traktor, oh and beatmasher. The rest of the effects are meh meh meh.

The DJM900 on the other hand... now that's a mixer. DJM900 + 2 x X1s and 1210s (scratch certified ftw).

*wonders if Pioneer vs Allen + Heath stir up / thread derail will really get the forum newbs fired up*

[Shishdisma]

I'm no A+H fan boy but... the DB2 has isolator EQs. Traktor (for some insane reason) doesn't provide isolator eqs.

Just sayin

Also, sometimes hardware can bring character and ergonomics to the party.

Personally, I only really like echo in traktor, oh and beatmasher. The rest of the effects are meh meh meh.

The DJM900 on the other hand... now that's a mixer. DJM900 + 2 x X1s and 1210s (scratch certified ftw).

*wonders if Pioneer vs Allen + Heath stir up / thread derail will really get the forum newbs fired up*

To this day, I cannot fathom why people drool over the 900 but completely ignore the 2k. I know Pioneer kind of dropped it after clubs didn't like the size, but it's seriously so much more mixer for only a few quid more.

[Sn0wday]

It really depends on how you DJ... Which controls/features you need access to is what decided which gear you need.

My real problem with using a hardware mixer is mixing four decks.... In order to mix four decks, you need a sound card with 5 outs (audio 10 is almost $600). You also need a four deck mixer obviously, which also tend to be very expensive. Before you know it you're almost 2 grand in the hole and havent even bought your controllers yet.

THIS THING is my upcoming solution to that. So if you're into mixing four decks and don't want an all-in-one, look into that.

And actually the rest of the new CMD line, as someone previously mentioned, would be great if you don't like all-in-ones.

That thing looks awesome, no word on a release date yet though?

[faderswagger]

The DB series has 5 effect banks, with several permutations and types within each bank, totally something like 40 effects, all of which with a sound and purpose. Traktor has 32, of which I count 8 that arent just pointless noise mangling, like the 3 different phasers and flangers, autopans, ringmod, and the iceverb (srsly, why is there an iceverb in traktor!?).

Not even gonna bother... Pointless argument to make... You basically just said "Traktor's effects suck and DB's are good cause i said so"

Oh look, it's another person who thinks audio equipment is valued by a spec sheet. Tell me more about how a series critically acclaimed for it's sound quality is blown away by some budget DACs, because it doesn't output 44.1k music at 96k. I'm sure all of Allen and Heath's professional customers would love to be enlightened by you showing them a feature list that proves that they could be saving thousands buying cheaper equipment. Because obviously, it has better specs, it must sound better, right?

Yeah.... That's.... that's great. When the quantifiable evidence is all against you, just ignore it and claim that its better, again, "because i said so"...

You're kinda a big joke if you hadn't noticed .I'm done with this though lawl. Someone else can take over if they so desire.

To this day, I cannot fathom why people drool over the 900 but completely ignore the 2k. I know Pioneer kind of dropped it after clubs didn't like the size, but it's seriously so much more mixer for only a few quid more.

Yeah, that's true, it is definitely more mixer, and it's not much more expensive. It's amazing, but some of us are shady about touchscreens. The 2000 isn't supposed to be treated as the top of the line, with the 900 being secondary. The 900 is a specialized thing, whereas the 2000 is more along the lines of the perfect traditional mixer. The 900 has actual beatgrid effects that utilize the analysis of the original MP3. Pretty rad.

A DJM900 with four CDJ2000's is the only thing ever made that would make me even consider giving up software.

That thing looks awesome, no word on a release date yet though?

No much to my chagrin. Best we've been told is "summer". Also, the designer of the whole series is a regular on these forums, and I'm pretty sure he mentioned there have been some design changes to them... And those haven't even been released yet, so I'm thinking it's gonna be the LAAAAAATE summer.

[Sn0wday]

No much to my chagrin. Best we've been told is "summer". Also, the designer of the whole series is a regular on these forums, and I'm pretty sure he mentioned there have been some design changes to them... And those haven't even been released yet, so I'm thinking it's gonna be the LAAAAAATE summer.

That's a pretty bad move on there part, cause I'd love it by summer time and i'm sure anyone who wants ti would. so it would make sense for them to release it by then from an economic standpoint...

But oh well, I got time to decide. Mixtrack pro will double as a soundcard and mixer until I can get something nicer. It might be (depending on the price of "this thing") in my best inetrest to just suck it up and invest in a high quality mixer, which would probably be better in the long run. I can't imagine being at a gig and then wanting to hook up that thing instead of mixer, cause the whole point on not wanting the all in one deal is I want to be able to slide ride up to a mixer.

So many DJ's now lineups seem to be mroe and more common rather than the 4 hour long sets, at least in my town.

B

[Nick V]

Not scratch certified though. If you don't need it to be scratch certified, then you can save nearly $1200 just by going with an audio 2 and a CMD MM-1. Sure it won't have all of the same controls but it has enough controls to map to do equivalent things... plus you have $1200 extra to buy supplemental controllers.

The main reason I wouldn't use a setup like this is that it ties you to Traktor + laptop. An external mixer is completely stand alone and if you decide you want to go CDJ or vinyl or some crazy live PA set up you will still be in business. Also a full sized 4 track mixer is what you're going to find in clubs 99% of the time so the time you spend on it in your bedroom/mobile gigs is getting you familiar with what you're going to find in a club setting.

That said I do love a tight minimal setup. I rocked an X1 + Vestax VMC-002 for a long time when my daughter was born cause I wasn't really playing out and money was tight. I def think it would be a fun challenge to rock a 2 slim line controller setup like X1 or F1 + K2 or MM-1 (when it comes out). It'll be interesting to see what people end up doing with those modular CMD controllers when they hit the streets. Steinberg also has the CMC series of controllers like this although they seem to be more geared for studio or live PA setups.