Want to properly start producing my own music - Logic or Ableton?

[Superfreak]

You log in with your email address (see posting above.) It has nothing to do with your specific MBP. If you get a new one, log into App store and download Logic for it.

Thanks for clearing that up mate. £139 for Logic Pro 9 is wicked. I think im going to get it!!

[djdunamis]

Most if not all DAW companies today will keep an account with them that stores your serial number in case of theft or loss. Also the ability to download the program and updates again.

[Superfreak]

Wow thanks for all your replies!!
I will reply to you all in this post, im not to great with forums, so dont know how to quote what all of you have said. But here goes:

@RockingClub - I do know a lot of people that produce there beats in Logic, so its a good reason because i can ask mates for help if needed as they use the same and they say its easy to use of course once u have learned it. and thats cool then, most are wav from what ive seen anyway, i do worry sometimes if certains packs will work, thanks!

@Tommi Bass - Yep I have tried a free trial of ableton, (i couldn't 'save' so i could never pick up from a previous project and progress, but still it looked and felt nice. Thanks.

@mostapha - I think I'm going to mate, i already have logic pro 8 on my G5, so im going to spend sometime learning that and see how i progress, depending on that, ill go for 9 on the app store or Ableton live 8. I have Maschine, can that be useful being used with Logic too? I opened it up as a VTS Plug-in in my trial version of ableton, but had NO idea what to do from then lol. I'm searching for tutorial videos on Logic on youtube atm, found a really good one on how to use the 'Ultrabeat' and some of the compressors and envelope stuff, and i made a good kick and penciled it into the piano roll, so im getting there :-) Just cant find many good 'basic/begginner' tutorials on YT Whats Logic Express? Thanks!

@djdumanis - Yeah man ableton seems to look and feel easier, but i still havent made anything solid on there, but could do with spending more time in it, just a bummer becasue i cant save my projects on the trial version so can never picked up from a previous state.
Okay then dude i will look out for one shot packs, i would prefer to make my own loops definitely!!! Can you recommend any? Im a House & Techno DJ *Producer to be* :-) so that kinda style sounds ill be looking for. Loopmasters?
I wont be waiting for Live 9! Want to start NOW! lol so going to spend time with logic 8 on my G5, and see how i feel in some time.
& great, good to know that i can re-download it. Thanks!

If i missed any of you out, im sorry, my eyes are hurting lol.

I am going to spend time with Logic pro 8, and see how i progress, when and if im at the stage of easily making my own tunes and using the plug-ins etc, ill see how i feel, and then decide on getting the logic pro 9 form appstore or ableton live 8, tbh, ill probabaly most definitely get ableton live 8, as i want to try out DJing with it, heard a lot of good FX come out of that in some of my favourite DJs sets, and also Paul Ritch using a M-Audi Evolution ucee3 to do some Craaaaazy stuff.

If any of you live in/near South East London/Kent, and would like to spend sometime in the studio giving me some tutorials and help, id pay, (my mates are 'too busy remixing for new labels and stuff' to come down and spend some real time on logic with me lol.)

Once again, thanks for all your replies!

:-)

[djdunamis]

"I have Maschine, can that be useful being used with Logic too? I opened it up as a VTS Plug-in in my trial version of ableton, but had NO idea what to do from then lol."

"Okay then dude i will look out for one shot packs, i would prefer to make my own loops definitely!!! Can you recommend any? Im a House & Techno DJ *Producer to be* :-) so that kinda style sounds ill be looking for. Loopmasters?

"I wont be waiting for Live 9! Want to start NOW! lol so going to spend time with logic 8 on my G5, and see how i feel in some time.& great, good to know that i can re-download it. Thanks!"

"I am going to spend time with Logic pro 8, and see how i progress, when and if im at the stage of easily making my own tunes and using the plug-ins etc, ill see how i feel, and then decide on getting the logic pro 9 form appstore or ableton live 8, tbh, ill probabaly most definitely get ableton live 8, as i want to try out DJing with it, heard a lot of good FX come out of that in some of my favourite DJs sets, and also Paul Ritch using a M-Audi Evolution ucee3 to do some Craaaaazy stuff."

Maschine can be used in any DAW that supports VST, RTAS, AU. Two ways of using Maschine would be to create the beats and let them play off of it on a channel in your DAW. Second is like the first except once you're satisfied with the beats, export to wav and import it into Logic for further processing.

Loopmasters is a good place to start. Zenheiser, Vengeance Music, Soundsonline, Zero G, Prime Loops are other good sites. Getting loops isn't the end of the world, chop 'em up and sample them as you please.

Spend time with what you have, you got a good program to start with. If you feel Live works better for you, get it, if not, don't.

[ksandvik]

I think Maschine is a cool idea but you need to be sold on its workflow, i.e. similar to AKAI MCP programming. I kind of cheat and use a Korg PadKontrol and trigger samples this way inside Logic or Live but this requires to set up sampler and drum machine tracks which takes time and with Maschine everything is ready for music making.

[Superfreak]

Maschine can be used in any DAW that supports VST, RTAS, AU. Two ways of using Maschine would be to create the beats and let them play off of it on a channel in your DAW. Second is like the first except once you're satisfied with the beats, export to wav and import it into Logic for further processing.

Loopmasters is a good place to start. Zenheiser, Vengeance Music, Soundsonline, Zero G, Prime Loops are other good sites. Getting loops isn't the end of the world, chop 'em up and sample them as you please.

Spend time with what you have, you got a good program to start with. If you feel Live works better for you, get it, if not, don't.

Coool!! Hm, i think im gonna get more used to Logic first then bring in maschine to it, but, how ever, i can say get a group with 16 sounds, say, a kick, clap, hat, some perc, some baselines and other blips n bleeps etc, and then export the group as WAV, onto my desktop, and then load them into logic and use them? so basically any particular sound i like from maschine, i can export, and open up in logic to use in my beat?

Thanks ill check them out, ive noticed VENGEANCE seems to be liked, ill have to check out there stuff.
Also, as a starting point, can u recommend a good way to start in logic? Like, using ultrabeat, or the esx24 or? Cheers!

[ksandvik]

I would learn UltraBeat in Logic first, it's highly programmable. Just read the manual section as there are simple gotchas such as having this drum machine plug-in running at the same time as the DAW and you might want or not want to do this. Most often I just export the patterns to an instrument track and stop Ultrabeat itself. Anyway, if all this sounds weird, there are plenty of good online tutorials on youtube showing Ultrabeat.

Anyway, Ultrabeat, EXS24 sampler (wish Logic had a similar drag-and-drop sampler as Live but Ultrabeat could be used for this, too.) Basic loop import and adjusting, stuff like that.

The biggest benefit with Logic versus Live is really the MIDI editing (as well as the built-in effects.)

[djdunamis]

The biggest benefit with Logic versus Live is really the MIDI editing (as well as the built-in effects.)

what's wrong with the Midi?

[Superfreak]

Yeah thats what im doing right now, drag n dropping samples into it, and then kinda modding the sound with some of the knobs in it, then pencil'in them in via the piano editor, thats the way ive learned to do it from a YT vid.

i have lost the manual a long time ago whats drum machines plug-ins should i use with ultrabeat? im going to keep checking youtube for ultrabeat tutorials! :-)

Yeah man i am going to learn the esx24 as well as ultrabeat! my mate said he uses esx24.

I need help quick dude, on logic.... basically (and this is only just randomly happened)... At the start of my track, (i have it as Bar and time) it doesnt start with/at 'BAR 1' and/or '0.00 seconds', somehow it says '59:58 ........ 59:59 ...... THEN '0.00'

and same with the BAR section, it doesnt start at BAR 1 it's showing as ' 0 ..... 0.3 ...... THEN .... BAR '1'..

Whats happened here, do you know? thanks in advanced.

[mostapha]

It's not a conception, it's happened, look at Final Cut. Since then, always wonder if they're going to do that with Logic.

Everyone does. Plus, the Mac Pros didn't get an update this summer. Or last year. It's a concern, but it's not a huge one, mostly because other software (Pro Tools, Cubase, Ableton, Maschine, etc.) will continue to work on OS X as long as they make real computers. You could eventually switch if you had to. Frankly, them dropping firwire from the Retina MBPs scares me a lot more than them fucking up with FCP X, because……

They know what they did with FCP X, but from what I can see, most of the pro world was using Premiere or Media Composer anyway. People are pissed, obviously, but they all just switched. And I think Apple either learned their lesson or doesn't miss them……man, I hope it's the former. Then again, it's only pros and wanna-be pros that are pissed. People moving up from iMovie love it. And they'll never work with a post house or filmographer that can't open their movies. And there are a lot more people with a dSLR that can shoot video who want something that looks better than pressing pause on a cam-corder between shots than there are people making legit movies who care about opening old projects and exchanging stuff with other editors.

Then again, just becuase FCP X is a worthless steaming pile of dog crap doesn't mean pros can't still use FCP 9……everyone I know who used FCP 9 is still using FCP 9 and debating between Media Composer and Premiere……and a lot of them are moving to Premiere just because they already have to use After Effects. Avid has one kind of stranglehold and Adobe has another. Apple has……iMovie. It makes perfect sense to me, even if it sucks for some people……who tend not to be early adopters anyway because they can't afford the downtime.

Anyway…if you like Logic, then buy it and use it and who gives a flying fuck what Apple does with Logic 10. If it blows, don't upgrade.

More than half the pro studio world is on Pro Tools 8……which was still built for Power PCs. The current version is 10.2.

If you have something that works, you don't have to upgrade for a long time if you don't want to. It won't work worse tomorrow just because something new came out.

Whats happened here, do you know? thanks in advanced.

Pre-roll. Look it up. Actually, it might be called count-in. Can't quite remember.

(didn't actually let it load…first duck duck go result) http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Log...ser_Manual.pdf