DJTT Blog Post on Bitrates

[ksandvik]

Maybe on the 44.1Kzh versus 96khz 24 bit case, you get the same amount of data, 24 bits is twenty four bits, but just a wider range of values. The graph makes it look like you get more data.

[loverocket]

what's misleading about it?

For the 16 BIT image the graph paper would have to be 65,536 squares high not 16.

Each 16 BIT sample (of 44,100 samples per second) can store one of 65,536 levels.

that's pretty fine for my ear.

After dithering and filtering my ears are fooled.

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[Shishdisma]

I've never really understood the obsession with 48/96khz 24 bit production values. 24 bit vs 16 bit is a bit of a jump, yes, but in practice, its a bit negligible. Running in 24 bit is a safe bet, since CDJs output in 24 bit, but 16 is by no means useless. What blows my mind is people who sample in 48/96khz and act like they need to. 48khz is a holdover from sampling DAT tapes. 96khz is used for high end condensers, since acoustic instruments can produce so many partials and harmonics; unless youre listening on ribbon monitors, you can't hear the difference, and even then, it's only harmonics.

CDJs output in 44.1khz anyway, so.... yeahh.....

[weedsmkn]

you should always be in 24 bit when possible and dither down if needed, also 96/48khz to 44.1 is not the big deal its the bits. that being said you will not be able to tell the difference until you are on very high end system in an acoustically tuned room. So dont worry loverocket, your rips should be good to go for quite some time. From now on 24 bit is the way to go as CD quality audio (16bit 44.1khz) is no longer industry standard.

[loverocket]

i think 16 BIT 44.1 KHz sounds warmer.


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Just kidding.

[Shishdisma]

you should always be in 24 bit when possible and dither down if needed, also 96/48khz to 44.1 is not the big deal its the bits. that being said you will not be able to tell the difference until you are on very high end system in an acoustically tuned room. So dont worry loverocket, your rips should be good to go for quite some time. From now on 24 bit is the way to go as CD quality audio (16bit 44.1khz) is no longer industry standard.

"Industry standard" doesnt mean anything when the lowest common denominator for quality audio is still 16/44.1. Theres nothing to "transition into" its just a negligible quality level.

[ksandvik]

The only justification I could think of for EDM producers using 96kHz is that some mastering plugins might have better downsampling quality when operating with such huge frequency domains. But to hear that result you need really good studio reference monitors. In real life I doubt anyone could hear the differences.

[SirReal]

The only justification I could think of for EDM producers using 96kHz is that some mastering plugins might have better downsampling quality when operating with such huge frequency domains. But to hear that result you need really good studio reference monitors. In real life I doubt anyone could hear the differences.

Totally disagree. When producing and mixing multiple tracks for music you should start with the highest quality recordings you can afford to make. Once you've mixed down to your stems and give the mastering person the best quality you can, they do their magic and then you can downsample after your final stereo master is achieved. You'll get considerably better sonic results.

[Shishdisma]

Totally disagree. When producing and mixing multiple tracks for music you should start with the highest quality recordings you can afford to make. Once you've mixed down to your stems and give the mastering person the best quality you can, they do their magic and then you can downsample after your final stereo master is achieved. You'll get considerably better sonic results.

Except for the fact that sample rate doesn't affect audible quality beyond 44.1khz...

[SirReal]

Except for the fact that sample rate doesn't affect audible quality beyond 44.1khz...

How can you make a statement so patently false? I think your understanding of sample rate is flawed. You might be extrapolating that at 44.1 16bit it more than covers the range of human hearing from 20hz to 20khz but there is absolutely no doubt that sample rates higher than 44.1 are sampling at a higher rate and therefore more truly reproducing the original. You're essentially mixing down mulitiple tracks into a final 2 tracks. When distilling anything down you want to start with the most premium grade possible, that is, if you care about the quality of the finished product. If all you're doing is sampling loops of peoples tracks and mixing them together to make music, then I'd agree with your above statement but if you're making original music and recording sounds, you should start with the highest sample & bit rate available to you.