Akai midi controller vs Ableton new "Push" midi controller

[ksandvik]

Push is indeed very expensive. Bake in the Live 9 license as well in case you don't have an upgrade price.

[crakbot]

I really love Ableton, but I've come to realize one thing. Modern production is done with a mouse. Basically, it's 5% inputting notes or beats, then 95% clicking, editing, and re-sampling using effects and VSTs.

Of course, it depends on the music you make. If you like genres that are minimal, then you can use devices like Push. But things like progressive house or pop are becoming too labor intensive to do with any controller.

So basically, whatever can get the notes in the best for you is what you need. Once the notes are down, you need to use a mouse.

People hate that, that's why they get so hyped when controllers like Push come out. But it's all a mirage. The same with the APC 40, most people that have it don't really use it for producing, unless like I said, you produce super simple styles of music.

Go back and watch the Push demo, sounds like bunch of boring ass loops. That's all you can do when producing with a controller.

[ZooTV]

I really love Ableton, but I've come to realize one thing. Modern production is done with a mouse. Basically, it's 5% inputting notes or beats, then 95% clicking, editing, and re-sampling using effects and VSTs.

Of course, it depends on the music you make. If you like genres that are minimal, then you can use devices like Push. But things like progressive house or pop are becoming too labor intensive to do with any controller.

So basically, whatever can get the notes in the best for you is what you need. Once the notes are down, you need to use a mouse.

People hate that, that's why they get so hyped when controllers like Push come out. But it's all a mirage. The same with the APC 40, most people that have it don't really use it for producing, unless like I said, you produce super simple styles of music.

Go back and watch the Push demo, sounds like bunch of boring ass loops. That's all you can do when producing with a controller.

Sad but true. There is a lot of automation involved and it would take as long to program something to control automation than to just paint it using a mouse.

[ksandvik]

Funny, I have the same observation. Mouse and trackpad. Heck, I'm doing production the same way as Skrillex :-).

Every time I place a controller next to my monitor I seldom use it, keyboards being an exception. Volume levels, panning, automation, setting parameters, works just fine with a mouse and keyboard. Even creating patterns. I could even do drum patterns with a controller keyboard, that's not a big deal.

But I live and with with a really good trackpad or mouse.

[botstein]

I really love Ableton, but I've come to realize one thing. Modern production is done with a mouse. Basically, it's 5% inputting notes or beats, then 95% clicking, editing, and re-sampling using effects and VSTs.

Of course, it depends on the music you make. If you like genres that are minimal, then you can use devices like Push. But things like progressive house or pop are becoming too labor intensive to do with any controller.

So basically, whatever can get the notes in the best for you is what you need. Once the notes are down, you need to use a mouse.

People hate that, that's why they get so hyped when controllers like Push come out. But it's all a mirage. The same with the APC 40, most people that have it don't really use it for producing, unless like I said, you produce super simple styles of music.

Go back and watch the Push demo, sounds like bunch of boring ass loops. That's all you can do when producing with a controller.

But who performs with a mouse?

[ichitaka]

It's all about the music you create. I use my maschine in combination with ableton. Using maschine let me use ableton more like an instrument because i don't need to waste my time programming everything. i just do and play raw house music. and that will be possible on the push i think. just like it is possible with the maschine.

[Patch]

I see The Push as an efficient way to sketch out your ideas. You'll still need to do all the tweaking with a mouse/key shortcuts after you've got the initial idea arranged.

I'd imagine iLL Gates will get on to The Push (if Ableton haven't already got him involved - an I bet they have!). The idea of a hardware controller that you can use to sketch out ideas ties in perfectly with his iLL Methodolgy for production.