What % of Ableton DJ's mime?

[djoh]

My God - there is so much fail in that post I don't know where to start.



Ah OK. That explains it...

I'm only playing, mate. Don't take it to heart!

Still, Ableton is not DJ software and not suitable for the club 'unless the crowd already know about your music' as i mentioned above.

A few critical “DJ features” Live is missing:

True tempo bending or adjusting the phase of a mix on the fly;
Storing multiple loops within a track;
Multiple hot cue points (this can be emulated by creating multiple clips);
Playlists and an internal music library; and
Direct playback of .mp3s (they must be converted to .wav by Live).

http://www.djtechtools.com/2010/10/0...-ableton-live/

hmm Storing DJ libraries in wav files...?


I saw this guy messing around w Ableton in the club but emptied the floor in many gig days even though his mix was perfect with
nice uplifting songs and all that. have you read the post that Ean wrote yet(the link in my previous reply)?

and anyways.. what is wrong with my headphone? :P seriously. what's wrong with beats pro? just curious.. changed to tiesto headphone since many djs using beats pro now.
I also have Sony MDR v700 seatin on the couch (and is the 2nd one, first one i bought it about 10 yrs ago)

[deevey]

First of all, Ableton is not a DJ software, so the definition word of "Ableton DJ" should not even exist.

So ask yourself why they added a Crossfader and Cue ? .. I am an Ableton DJ

I would understand if they remap the APC for DJ softwares such as Traktor or Serato to control all those functions then it should work just fine like mapping midi fighters to control DJ softwares.

The APC is completely un-intuitve for Traktor IMHO (or at least was until the remix decks were unlocked), ableton give you the same functionality as remix decks and then some.

otherwise, loading all those TOP40 or hiphop or edm tracks in Ableton is a joke.

No its not, I load over 400 Tracks and About 400 Samples into Ableton across 8 channels prior to a set, which are all nicely color coded by style/energy

I can also preview and drag/drop directly from Itunes as I have my Cue output set up as the computers master out.

I do not think you can import tracks while playing in Ableton Live, also not able to change tempo bend for next cueing song while mixing right?

Wrong, Firstly you can pitch bend just fine on any deck in ableton, just set the Track Quantize to none and use nudge and you can warp virtually any track within 5 seconds .. some take longer, but its just a matter of doing it once when the track is purchased and leaving the .asd file in my itunes library.

I do use pitch bend quite alot to get stuff back in sync if I didn't bother warping it properly or want to drop a new track. (also for syncing with the previous DJ).

Secondly, you can Drag and Drop any MP3/wav straight onto a clip from any open window or itunes.

If you are really smart you can set up channels with all your clips and tracks pre-prepped and sliced up which you grab from the library (i'm just not that organized for most tracks).

which means most of ableton players make the whole set at home and bring it to the club. and just play it around by doing EQ/Effects on APC and fist pumping.

Again Wrong

if not, please leave your APC at home for production use or play it in front of your own fans and crowds who knows your music already.

Yeah ... speak for yourself on that

people usually don't come to the club to try strangers music production, and you don't even know what type of music would work for the night and what type of people going to be filled on the dance floor.

You are going to the wrong clubs then, sure mainstream clubs they dont, however even in mainstream clubs there's alot more remixing, beat juggling going on these days too.

So yeah, if you are an A>B Dj ableton is overkill, otherwise its a powerful tool IF you know how to use it.

Thought you chose Ableton to become a producer, not a DJ.

Huh ?

[QUOTE=djoh;645071]Still, Ableton is not DJ software and not suitable for the club 'unless the crowd already know about your music' as i mentioned above.

A few critical “DJ features” Live is missing:

True tempo bending or adjusting the phase of a mix on the fly;

Untrue

Storing multiple loops within a track;

True, but ...

Multiple hot cue points (this can be emulated by creating multiple clips);

There you go

Playlists and an internal music library; and
Direct playback of .mp3s (they must be converted to .wav by Live).

Agreed, browser SHOULD have been completely re-worked in Live 9, Itunes drag an drop is the best way of doing it currently OR as I do, load ALOT of tracks into the grid which essentially is my playlist.

hmm Storing DJ libraries in wav files...?

I don't

I saw this guy messing around w Ableton in the club but emptied the floor in many gig days even though his mix was perfect with
nice uplifting songs and all that. have you read the post that Ean wrote yet(the link in my previous reply)?

And ......, so what, I have seen plenty of top notch DJ's empty floors as well (do a google search for Armand Van Helden who decided to play a hip hop set in ministry of sound).

Just means either (a) he wasnt very good (b) was not right for the night in question.

You don't book a techno DJ when the crowd expects mainstream stuff they can sing along to.

and anyways.. what is wrong with my headphone? :P seriously. what's wrong with beats pro? just curious.. changed to tiesto headphone since many djs using beats pro now.

Beats in general have a Rep with the majority of alot of DJ's for being "just another fashion statement" .. The Studios were complete Dog Turd, the pro's in fairness had a decent built, and bloody loud (fine for DJing with) but as with all the Beats lineup have a stupidly exaggerated bass end, and ARE severely overpriced for what you get.

However the Tiesto 167's and 267's are supposed to be Absolutely Amazing going by the reviews of the seasoned audiophiles on Head-fi. (and having tried the 167's - they are really comfortable).

[DISaS73R]

Thought you chose Ableton to become a producer, not a DJ.

Ableton Live

[MRG12EG]

First of all, Ableton is not a DJ software, so the definition word of "Ableton DJ" should not even exist.
I would understand if they remap the APC for DJ softwares such as Traktor or Serato to control all those functions then it should work just fine like mapping midi fighters to control DJ softwares. otherwise, loading all those TOP40 or hiphop or edm tracks in Ableton is a joke.

I do not think you can import tracks while playing in Ableton Live, also not able to change tempo bend for next cueing song while mixing right? which means most of ableton players make the whole set at home and bring it to the club. and just play it around by doing EQ/Effects on APC and fist pumping.

If he brought alot of fans and crowds, that means people just came to see him and he makes the most profit of the night, then, should leave him alone.
if not, please leave your APC at home for production use or play it in front of your own fans and crowds who knows your music already.
people usually don't come to the club to try strangers music production, and you don't even know what type of music would work for the night and what type of people going to be filled on the dance floor.

Thought you chose Ableton to become a producer, not a DJ.

Here is the good article from Ean Golden.
http://www.djtechtools.com/2012/03/1...-set-cheating/

omg! lol....

really hard not to take this bait but you comments are just annoying me.

the world is bigger than traktor and serato.. ableton is a very powerful application search the youtube you got alot to learn.
i dont understand you comments above top40 whats that got to do with anything?

[djoh]

i know ableton has more function compare to other dj softwares. im just saying pre-made sets are dangerous for the club, has more fail percentage than change songs by reading the crowd (fail more = no book, no gigs). well ive been thinking that ableton djs are all premade set sorry if i am wrong.
i was/am going to get a ableton to make own original songs(as many djs do now) but when it comes to djing.. idk i would maybe go for the very important gig day, not for the regular gigs. it consumes alot more time but the "output" is same compare to other dj software, no need to waste of preparation time.

[no_rex4u]

My friend is an ableton DJ, and he can do everything except hot cues in ableton.

He has an EQ section for each "Deck", he has his library planned out, he can adjust the master tempo on the fly. Granted there is no beatmatching (technically), he DJ's at the local bars playing acapellas on top of instrumentals, and shit like that.

Yes i gave him crap for not using traditional software, but if he is being called back time again to Dj the same bar because of how good he is doing, then i say that you can DJ on ableton.

"Yes he does mime often, but he is a showman on stage, so i understand it)

[Patch]

My friend is an ableton DJ, and he can do everything except hot cues in ableton.

It can be done in ableton. Just create a clip for every hotcue you want, and trigger 'em however you like.

SETTING hotcues on the fly cannot be done quickly, but it can be done. (COPY CLIP>PASTE TO SAME ABLETON CHANNEL>CHANGE START POSITION). This way, you can have HUNDREDS of hotcues per track.

[DISaS73R]

it consumes alot more time but the "output" is same compare to other dj software

KiNK disagrees.

[P4ULSON]

KiNK disagrees.

lol and KINK would clear the floor in L.A. during prime time at a hot club haha.... or worse some drunk chick gonna come up to him with an iPhone requesting Justin Beaver or Hardwell

[djoh]

KiNK disagrees.

lol when it comes to this kind of performance, why don't you link daft punk's video with ableton?
is he performing his music? or other mainstream that normal DJ plays?
my whole point was dedicated to 'regular DJ' for the club.