Yosemite TSP 2 Experiences please post here.

[Karlos Santos]

NI decided to sleep thought the beta?

Who said NI slept through the beta?
There were testers, testing on the betas all the way through but the concentration was on the Mavericks as that was what was prevalent at the time. I am not saying that there has been no testing on Yosemite but that testing cannot always be timed for an Apple release.
NI have their own products to test and they should do them on an already tested OS.

If you are using Traktor and you are thinking of getting a new mac you don't buy one with Yosemite until NI release a statement saying that all products are safe to use. Makes sense to me. How many people will have the misfortune to have a mac fail and have to buy one with Yosemite in the window between the mac failing and the OS being approved? Not many, if any.

There will always be some delay/overlap when a new OS comes out especially when it is at the time that a whole slew of products is coming out and NI don't have any influence on Apples releases (obviously).

My point is, what's the hurry. We're talking days, weeks a most. Just seems to me that people want a new OS for no real, genuine reason other than to be on the latest OS. Your clubbers don't care.

There also seems to be a few people that think Yosemite will fix issue that they have with Traktor on Mavericks.

[mostapha]

well for one anyone getting a new mac for now on is going to be running Yosemite. So you MBP dies for what ever reason and you get a new one but you can't use it to DJ because NI decided to sleep thought the beta?
Yes they should focus on the OS current user base is on and at the same time be ahead of them self.

So, I was going to say you can still get old versions, but...uhh....they're not on the App Store anymore.

So...thankfully, I just buy and download all versions and keep them around. They do still work, at least. And there's probably an illegal archive of them somewhere.

But, yeah...it's one more way Apple is abandoning the pro market.

But, it's Apple's issue, not NI's. NI is doing nothing wrong.

My point is, what's the hurry. We're talking days, weeks a most.

It's a lot easier if you use Pro Tools. Avid often takes months to certify a new OS release. You get used to it.

[Karlos Santos]

It's a lot easier if you use Pro Tools. Avid often takes months to certify a new OS release. You get used to it.

...but NI are the devil and must be whipped at every opportunity

[TonyRome]

Sadly, you can insert ANY software maker into these statements and find similar threads on their respective board. MOTU killed me last time with Mavericks because I didn't follow my no early update rule :/

There has never been an urgent reason for me to be the first to upgrade... especially since the last thing I want is my computer to ring when my phone rings. There goes the privacy

[mostapha]

Privacy died when the Cloud happened. Or, at least, it became prohibitively difficult for normal people and a huge headache for the tech elite/savvy.

And, yeah....I was one of those guys who used to go to the apple store on the first day for the new OS....got bitten by Ableton, Avid, and Serato at varoius points.

The Avid/PT one was the most annoying...I ended up having all the junk sitting around and unable to use it (or the audio interface it was tethered to...it was a while ago) for like 8 months. My image was corrupted, Apple couln't give me the 10.?.n-2 release for some reason, and the 10.?.n-1 release wouldn't boot my Macbook. That was the last time I even did a 10.?.n release on time. I usually give it a month and just run alternate copies of openssl, openssh, browsers, encryption libraries, shells, and build tools....basically the security essentials I have some control over.

[Karlos Santos]

Serato at varoius points.

Serato have also issued the same warning as NI about Yosemite - and although Serato has what (i actually dont know) 2 products to test, NI have a gazillion but nip over to the NI forum and you'll read people berating me because NI weren't testing it's 100's of products for compatibility on a a beta operating system so that they could give it approval on day one.

I'm sorry but these people are either idiots, or just ill-tempered demanding children - there I said it.

[Mojaxx]

Serato have also issued the same warning as NI about Yosemite - and although Serato has what (i actually dont know) 2 products to test, NI have a gazillion but nip over to the NI forum and you'll read people berating me because NI weren't testing it's 100's of products for compatibility on a a beta operating system so that they could give it approval on day one.

Are you just visiting us from 2009?

Pretty sure that's the last time NI had more native hardware to test with than Serato... And NI make virtually all of theirs themselves, which really ought to be an advantage, no?

[Mojaxx]

Just to be clear, I'm not condoning anyone upgrading their OS prematurely. My gig laptops are both on 10.8, didn't even go Mavericks yet.

But suggesting NI have more hardware to deal with is way off, in 2014. I will be disappointed if NI don't announce compatibility before Serato does.

[mostapha]

It's just wrong that Serato has a harder job than NI.

NI
Traktor (Scratch) Pro....a mixer, 4 sound cards, 5 controllers, one that's brand new.
Maschine....5 controllers, lots of bundled plugins, plus VST, AU, RTAS, and AAX versions of the application.
Komplete..."75 products", 3 controllers, a sound card (if they still make the KA6), Maschine integration, compatibility with every DAW that supports VST, AU, RTAS, or AAX plugins. So, that part alone is more like 225 products and over a thousand combinations that could have issues.

Serato
A handful of plugins in a few formats.
One updated DJ product.
A couple dozen plugins (in-app purchases).
Roughtly 3 pieces of hardware that they make.
And compatibility with a bunch of stuff, but not nearly as much as Komplete.

I'm sorry, but NI makes more stuff and has more to test. Period.

It's been that way for a while.

[Mojaxx]

It's just wrong that Serato has a harder job than NI.

NI
Traktor (Scratch) Pro....a mixer, 4 sound cards, 5 controllers, one that's brand new.
Maschine....5 controllers, lots of bundled plugins, plus VST, AU, RTAS, and AAX versions of the application.
Komplete..."75 products", 3 controllers, a sound card (if they still make the KA6), Maschine integration, compatibility with every DAW that supports VST, AU, RTAS, or AAX plugins. So, that part alone is more like 225 products and over a thousand combinations that could have issues.

Serato
A handful of plugins in a few formats.
One updated DJ product.
A couple dozen plugins (in-app purchases).
Roughtly 3 pieces of hardware that they make.
And compatibility with a bunch of stuff, but not nearly as much as Komplete.

I'm sorry, but NI makes more stuff and has more to test. Period.

It's been that way for a while.

I was just purely thinking of DJ stuff, not the production side. So you're right there. Getting Traktor up to speed should still be far easier than SDJ though; way less hardware involved.