Cracked DVS Software

[Jack Bastard]

Noone (DJ or Producer) in Serbia is using a legal copy of Windows?

So even those that purchased a non-Apple desktop or laptop, legally, have decided to reinstall Windows with a cracked serial number?

Mac market penetration is very small in less developed markets generally. MS tolerate huge amounts of piracy in Eastern Europe because at least they then have an installed userbase they can sell to in the future.

Unless you actually know anyone in Serbia you can call I'd say that ToS has far more of a clue as to what's going on in his country than you do.

[Chilly]

Mac market penetration is very small in less developed markets generally. MS tolerate huge amounts of piracy in Eastern Europe because at least they then have an installed userbase they can sell to in the future.

Unless you actually know anyone in Serbia you can call I'd say that ToS has far more of a clue as to what's going on in his country than you do.

LOL You're kidding me, right?

"MS tolerates huge amounts of piracy in Eastern Europe because at least they then have an installed userbase they can sell to in the future"?

Where do you get your information from?

I don't need to call anyone in Serbia. First off, I'm a first generation Greek. My parents immigrated here from Greece. I am close friends with MANY first generation Serbians as well. NOBODY has ever mentioned anything like this.

Secondly: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...-20070517.html

Serbia doesn't even crack the top 20 in countries. So please, stop bullshitting everyone in this forum. As of right now the score is 1-0, me. Because I can provide documented proof.

[Jack Bastard]

I work in IT, it's common knowledge that MS tolerates piracy in developing markets in order to gain market share.

Here's a quote from Bill Gates on how they applied the policy in China after failing to enforce copyright law:

Today Gates openly concedes that tolerating piracy turned out to be Microsoft's best long-term strategy. That's why Windows is used on an estimated 90% of China's 120 million PCs. "It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not," Gates says. "Are you kidding? You can get the real thing, and you get the same price."

Also; of course Serbia doesn't make the top 20. It's the top 20 of the entire world with some of poorest nations on Earth. I'll bet you it's in the top 50 though.

I also fail to see how just being a child of Greek parents in the United States qualifies you to make pronouncements about other peoples countries. You don't live there, he does.

There's a lot of piracy in Eastern Europe; everyone knows that.

Oh, and here's the link:

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu.../23/100134488/

[Karlos Santos]

Hmm i was treading carefully . These kind of discussions are difficult. I consider myself to be very aware of whats going on in the world . I was trying to see the 'bigger picture'.
I dont quite think ive been misled but ..?
I do like people giving me information. Thanks Chilly.

[Jack Bastard]

Serbia & Montenegro are 34th in the world for software piracy in actual businesses; 75% of Serbian businesses use pirated software; you can bet that for private individuals it's closer to 90-100%.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...re-piracy-rate

[Chilly]

I work in IT, it's common knowledge that MS tolerates piracy in developing markets in order to gain market share.

Here's a quote from Bill Gates on how they applied the policy in China after failing to enforce copyright law:



Also; of course Serbia doesn't make the top 20. It's the top 20 of the entire world with some of poorest nations on Earth. I'll bet you it's in the top 50 though.

I also fail to see how just being a child of Greek parents in the United States qualifies you to make pronouncements about other peoples countries. You don't live there, he does.

There's a lot of piracy in Eastern Europe; everyone knows that.

Oh, and here's the link:

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu.../23/100134488/

Congrats on working in IT. So do I. Do you want a cookie?

My point on telling you a little back story to me and my heritage is that I'm friends with people who have ties back to their motherland. We all share a common bond being first-generationers. I guess it missed the mark at what I was trying to explain.

Serbia & Montenegro are 34th in the world for software piracy in actual businesses; 75% of Serbian businesses use pirated software; you can bet that for private individuals it's closer to 90-100%.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...re-piracy-rate

Well buddy, you've proved my point, three-fold. #1 ToS's statistic was off, #2 ToS just filled your heads with meaningless information that was assumed, and #3 you continue to perpetrate the assumptions by providing your own.

[Jack Bastard]

Congrats on working in IT. So do I. Do you want a cookie?

I don't see why you're being rude.

I was just stating that MS frequently take little or no action in developing markets in order to get market share, something you denied existing and asked me to prove, which I did.

My point on telling you a little back story to me and my heritage is that I'm friends with people who have ties back to their motherland. We all share a common bond being first-generationers. I guess it missed the mark at what I was trying to explain.

And I have friends who have lived in Croatia and Serbia. I don't see how these facts qualify us to make educated statements about it, nor for those statements to be provable, as you demanded off me above.

Well buddy, you've proved my point, three-fold. #1 ToS's statistic was off, #2 ToS just filled your heads with meaningless information that was assumed, and #3 you continue to perpetrate the assumptions by providing your own.

All I can say from the stats provided is that Serbia has amongst the highest rates of piracy in Europe. Something which you appear to be denying.

[Chilly]

It's cool Karlos.
Ok, there has been too many posts about me so let's settle this and move on: I am wrong and a thief. So is 90% of performers/producers from my country.

Do you know that number as a fact, or did you just pull it out of your ass?

That was the safe number. Now I checked with DJ/producer friend that is 10 years older than me and in the business for last 15 at least. He said: 100%.
For a fact, no-one is using legal windows. And it may be less than 100% just because of some people owning AbletonLE and-or some VSTs that they got for free with the devices.

I don't see why you're being rude.

I was just stating that MS frequently take little or no action in developing markets in order to get market share, something you denied existing and asked me to prove, which I did.

And I have friends who have lived in Croatia and Serbia. I don't see how these facts qualify us to make educated statements about it, nor for those statements to be provable, as you demanded off me above.

All I can say from the stats provided is that Serbia has amongst the highest rates of piracy in Europe. Something which you appear to be denying.

Now, please re-read what I've quote above. This is all I'm going to comment on. If you can find ONE POST from me denying anything about Serbia having some of the highest rates of piracy in Europe, I will gladly do whatever you wish.

I don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth, and I sure as hell don't respect people changing the course of the conversation.

My stance was, and still is, this: ToS (and subsequently yourself) provided FALSE NUMBERS.

Again, I thank you for your previous post, where you proved me right. <fanfare and applause>

[Monika.mhz]

ok. You both have made your points. /end

[ToS]

Karlos:
Economic situation is just part of the problem.
Another piece is paypal banning us.
And the list goes on...
A lot of shit has been going down here and it all affected the mind of the software user.
I think I've mentioned somewhere that I'm not trying to avoid payment of software. It just ain't on my priority list.
I've been on EXITfest, since the EXIT01. Skipped a few. Performed last year on some side-stage.

Chilly:
Not 100% but pobably 90% of artists. Some of them have enough money to buy what they need and they do while some of them are not smart enough to understand that cracked software usually is stable as original and thus they gather money and buy the problematic sw(having the same trouble after that).
And yes, we do. We buy our laptops with crapVista, freeDOS or Linux and we install windowsXP with pirated serial. WinXP is not beeing sold anymore except in OEM with netbooks if I'm not wrong.
"Assumption is a mother of all..." and you just assumed that I assumed so you FAIL.

About that documented proof. It is generated by performing sweeps trough companies(NOT house-to-house checks). Those sweeps are being performed by teams that Serbia has been training in the end of 2k6 and beginning of 2k7 so that stats are not covering this country. BTW Montenegro IS on the list. I don't know what year we got split we used to be in a country called Yugoslavia and then Serbia&Montenegro and then we got separated. So them are basically subset of same people. They just got their anti-piracy teams a lot faster.
Ow, BTW if my numbers are not correct (the 90-100%) that's why I used statistical numbers. With statistics you can prove anything and that was my tricky-evil plan from the start.