Denon DJ SC2900 Thread

[MrPopinjay]

Simply put, its been said that the currently line of denon players are made to compete with the 3 top cdj's from pioneer

See this is the statement I don't understand at all.
It costs 60% what the CDJ2000 does- there's a smaller price gap between the CDJ850 and the CDJ350 for christ's sake. You don't think the CDJ350 is in the same category as the CDJ850 do you? No, of course not. They are not the same price bracket.

[Shishdisma]

Why do you insist that they have to butt heads with the CDJ2000? This is clearly an alternative to the CDJ850 or CDJ900. It makes sense to tackle this section of the market since Pioneer are undeniably weaker here.

You don't have to created the best product overall, you just have to create the best product for the niche you are attempting to fill. In this case a £800ish table top media player. The CDJ2000 isn't in that niche. The SC2900 is not an alternative to the CDJ2000.



Couldn't disagree more. They are saying that it's a mid range product that is more akin to a top end product. That's the exact opposite of saying it's not great.

That would be true, except for the part where they're marketing it as "the new king of clubs." Pansdering to a niche isn't helping anyone, especially that very specific consumerist niche that Denon are aiming for. Why the Hell would they resign to a fate of a weird niche, when they could actually rise up and compete with Pioneer, with innovative technology and thoughtfully designed hardware. My point is this is a Japanese-style cop out of the highest order, not what we actually want to see from Denon.

[GeekGod]

Personally I could care less about the screens. With Engine on a iPad you would never need to anyways and it looks much better than a CDJ2000.

Just remember the iPad will give you central control for loading the decks with tracks and such if the players are linked up.

[MrPopinjay]

CDJ2000s are very expensive. The main people to buy them are clubs and other venues- they are not going to take a chance with an unknown player from a less popular brand. You'd be mad to butt heads with Pioneer there, you'll need a miracle to dislodge them. It'd be like attempting to overthrow technics in clubs.

This "weird niche" is the pro-sumer market, it's hardly tiny. Pioneer felt the need to shove two players in there.

[Louie_V]

CDJ2000s are very expensive. The main people to buy them are clubs and other venues- they are not going to take a chance with an unknown player from a less popular brand. You'd be mad to butt heads with Pioneer there, you'll need a miracle to dislodge them. It'd be like attempting to overthrow technics in clubs.

This "weird niche" is the pro-sumer market, it's hardly tiny. Pioneer felt the need to shove two players in there.

I don't think your getting me, but it's nice to see that you are alteast on my page. You need to understand that i am not the one who originally compared it to the 2000, Denon is marketing it as a direct competition with all of the CDJ line (850 and up) and they are trying to market it as the CDJ killer. So if it's them make ting it in this way then they have to prepare for the s***storm that comes with it.

[MrPopinjay]

Shitstorm? Why?

[Shishdisma]

Because you can't host an all out assault on a line, and then openly admit that there are inferior parts in areas that seriously matter. It's marketing doublespeak, and market positioning suicide. Especially when it lacks key points it's price competitors has, at the trade off of a larger feature list.

Side note: I've always wondered, how do Denon player handle Hot Cues? Are they relatively loaded, 4 per track, like in software. Or absolutely loaded in a bank across the drive like on CDJs?

[MrPopinjay]

I still don't buy the idea that it lacks key features of the competitor. In my eyes it's not a CDJ2000 alternative (money is always the limiting factor when buying gear, if you have the money for CDJ2000s you don't look at things £500 cheaper) so you have to just compare it to the other two- it dominates those in terms of features.

What do you mean by absolutely loaded across the drive?

[Shishdisma]

The CDJ 850/900 have the same fundamental feel, and the same exact workflow as the CDJ 2000. Pioneer buttons and switches only subtly improve as the number increases, even the Ergo has some hella nice controls. Denon players, on the other hand, either have rubberized switches, or messy clusters of controls, rounded out with a minuscule HUD and a browser on the level of the old CDJs. "Functions and features" do not a player make.

It's a bit hard to explain if you haven't used them. CDJ hot cues are loaded to the switches manually, in a "bank" which then plays the loaded cue when pressed, no matter what track is loaded.

[MrPopinjay]

The CDJ 850/900 have the same fundamental feel, and the same exact workflow as the CDJ 2000. Pioneer buttons and switches only subtly improve as the number increases, even the Ergo has some hella nice controls. Denon players, on the other hand, either have rubberized switches, or messy clusters of controls, rounded out with a minuscule HUD and a browser on the level of the old CDJs. "Functions and features" do not a player make.

This isn't true any more, they worked on that after the sc3700, thankfully.

I just had a read over the cdj1000mk3 manual, it was very educational. Can you really only have 3 hot cues per disc?
I do hope the SC2900s feature per-track hot cues.

I wish I had more opportunities to muck about with CDJs