for those who dont scratch...

[chrisw]

where in my post did I say jogs are unnecessary? if you like using jogs for browsing, why not?

@photojojo: the problem is more that the companies making the controllers are making the jogs look too important, and make it look as though their specially designed for scratching and you still need this function nowadays! this is probably why theory28 thinks it looks more professional to have jogs... The point just is that a controller doesn't have to look like a cd setup to look 'real'

for example, a special rotary that kinda feels like a jog (or something like the xone 1d's jog) would do even better for browsing stuff, it doesn't take up a lot of space for other controls, and does it's job just as good..
the marketing people tell us that we need a jog, eventually most find that it doesn't work well for scratching but better for for example browsing, so why put two jogs? maybe the whole concept of the controller could be rethought, without this 2nd jog?
it's not because the people at pioneer thought that at the time those cd players were a very good way of dj'ing, that we now have to go back to exactly the same way of dj'ing, when technology has evolved, maybe it's logical when you're used to cd's, so I say implement the good things of the cd setup, and then try to make it better and reinvent the dj setup, the pioneer people couldn't have done it perfectly!!
The concept of the jog wheel worked with cdj's, now it doesn't work for scratching on controllers, so as I said, make them smaller or make them control effects, and make them do it well in stead of trying to make it look as though they could handle scratching!

edit: I see chrisw just said the same about the 2nd jog while I was posting

I have to politely disagree with you that a proffesional looking jog wheel kind of does make a difference because alot of people lean towards "traditionalism" where physical performance is jus as important as audio. So having a Jog that acually applies to perfoermance is kind of necessary. People are not ready to accept mini jogs as the only thing there.

And if people wanted to use a CDJ setup they would.

[fullenglishpint]

for example, a special rotary that kinda feels like a jog (or something like the xone 1d's jog) would do even better for browsing stuff, it doesn't take up a lot of space for other controls, and does it's job just as good

I had 2 controllers with normal jogs like that before i got my VCI and back then I probably would have agreed with you, but having a big tactile touch sensitive jog wheel has really changed the way I do things, particularly having fader FX at my disposal. With one motion I can instantly turn on and adjust the D/W of an effect and it turns off as soon as I let go. That's impossible with xone jogs.

Also, with one switchable jog I just know I'd end up accidentally spinning the track I was playing rather than the new one. Especially after a couple of beers

A SINGLE touch sensitive jog. Exactly. You said it yourself. Single. So a SINGLE jog wheel on one side and browser mixer on the other

Is it just me or did that sound like the arguments I had in the playground at the age of 6?

[chrisw]

I had 2 controllers with normal jogs like that before i got my VCI and back then I probably would have agreed with you, but having a big tactile touch sensitive jog wheel has really changed the way I do things, particularly having fader FX at my disposal. With one motion I can instantly turn on and adjust the D/W of an effect and it turns off as soon as I let go. That's impossible with xone jogs.

Also, with one switchable jog I just know I'd end up accidentally spinning the track I was playing rather than the new one. Especially after a couple of beers



Is it just me or did that sound like the arguments I had in the playground at the age of 6?

naw i remember people being made to eat sand too

[dj-pc]

well, your actually quite saying what I said, only it wasn't as clear maybe:

so as I said, make them smaller or make them control effects, and make them do it well in stead of trying to make it look as though they could handle scratching!

so in the case of a vci, that looks professional, the jog also is great for controlling effects, but a lot of other jogs (look at numark, maybe reloop,...) aren't half as good for this purpose! btw, how many people use it like that (here on the forum, everyone thanks to Ean, that's what we want to achieve here, isn't it? but out there people are mostly bound to what the company thought was good..)

I think we mostly think the same, but something I just wanted to say is that a fully led-lighted apc40 (w/o jogs) can be as nice to look at as somebody scratching on TT's. got a bit of topic in my previous posts

[fullenglishpint]

I think we could all agree that it very much depends on your personal style. If you're willing to put in the prep then the APC-40 is a great controller for traktor, but if you're like me and often find yourself having to scrub through a lot while the other track is playing and love fader FX, the VCI is better. Horses for courses as it were.

[bamrocket]

It really depends on the person. I agree with OP, I would make it by great with just one jog wheel to find my way around a song and have some sort of slider or buttons to switch it between different decks. Some people like having 2 jogs because they "look cool" but I'm aiming more for functionality than something being visually pleasing.

[photojojo]

I don;t see anything wrong with not wanting jogs, but to say they're not good for scratching is wrong as we've seen with the new NI controller. And I want two jogs not for looks, but for functionality. It's the same as DJ'ing with a single X1, sure I can do it, but I certainly don't want to.

Some people just don't need or want them. I on the other hand both want and need them. In other words you can have my jog wheels when you pry them from my cold dead hands.

[Str8upDrew]

I've played without jogs for 2 years now, and i've broke down and decided to get a vci. After doing everything possible without the use of jogwheels, i've come to realize that there are quite a few benefits to having jog wheels. Most of which have been mentioned.

[padi_04]

I've played without jogs for 2 years now, and i've broke down and decided to get a vci. After doing everything possible without the use of jogwheels, i've come to realize that there are quite a few benefits to having jog wheels. Most of which have been mentioned.

same here, srsly considering a jog setup after getting all wild with a "not made to dj " controller

[fullenglishpint]

I've played without jogs for 2 years now, and i've broke down and decided to get a vci. After doing everything possible without the use of jogwheels, i've come to realize that there are quite a few benefits to having jog wheels. Most of which have been mentioned.

MKI or II though??