Traktor and serato destroyer

[StephanV]

To OP, i'm sure you have good intentions but i've been waiting for the "next big open source thing" since 1996. Stopped waiting around 2001.
open source will never be competitive with commercial, period.

Firefox and Android, for example, are both open source and very successful.

You're confusing commercial with closed source, they are so not the same thing. Aforementioned examples are both open source ànd commercial, these concepts aren't mutually exclusive at all.

[josh@firestorm]

androids future success will come only if handset/device manufacturers stop fragmenting into so many different builds and configurations. even tho they all share the same kernel, there's just too many different build for it to be competitive for too much longer.

this is why linux hasn't really crossed over.

[space monkey]

Firefox and Android, for example, are both open source and very successful.

You're confusing commercial with closed source, they are so not the same thing. Aforementioned examples are both open source ànd commercial, these concepts aren't mutually exclusive at all.

right on. thanks for clarification. I use firefox and should also acknowledge the success of Linux (Ubuntu), MySQL et al. But I remain skeptical that the free, open source mixxx will be able to compete with NI/Serato. Not trying to trash the efforts of a good community over there and i'll certainly try the next version.

[tombruton69]

Improvements for q1 or q2 of mixxx are improved scratch engin that should deal with the digital sound. multi deck support and sample deck. They are working on a full screen solution. they have external mixer support now which is a big thing for me. Open source is stupidly sucsessfull the page you are looking at now is using open source technology. so when they sort out the skinning feature all it takes is for one person to make a good skin and there away. There is alot more people developing this than there was on 2004 so progress should speed up. I want to get involved and make it a sucsess. It has a way to go but I am semi confident it can do it. I think it would be a good day to see this. Anything that makes djing more open is a good thing in my eyes. Microsoft are directly attacking open source products they are obv worried

[StephanV]

androids future success will come only if handset/device manufacturers stop fragmenting into so many different builds and configurations. even tho they all share the same kernel, there's just too many different build for it to be competitive for too much longer.

this is why linux hasn't really crossed over.

It's not an Android discussion, so I'm not gonna take this too far. First of all, they don't all share the same kernel. If you know what a kernel really is, you'll understand why.
Secondly, this fragmentation really isn't that big of a deal as some blogs/sites try to make you believe. Almost all devices have at least 2.0, which means they only differ in point releases, that's not too hard for developers to support. Really. And it's only these app developers who are experiencing some more trouble anyway, not the customer or manufacturer. Since Gingerbread, Google is now increasing the release cycle from 6 to 12 months, giving manufacturers more time to catch up, so the fragmentation will decrease too.
About the competition, don't know if you've seen some stats recently, but Android is doing an incredible job, kicking iOS' ass as we speak. Since just this month, Android runs on as much devices as iOS - not bad, for being around only 2 years, and this rapid growth is showing no sign of slowing down. On the contrary.

About the linux failure: nope, it's not because of fragmentation. When people buy a computer, they almost always pay for a pre-installed OS, be that Windows or OSX. Both OSses are good, and almost their entire environment works with them too. It's easy to see that your average Joe isn't gonna install some geeky OS to replace his current good-working and paid-for OS, why the hell would he?
There is barely Linux fragmentation by the way, almost everyone uses Ubuntu. Only the diehards try other distributions, but they're usually tech savvy enough to fix their problems themselves anyway.

right on. thanks for clarification. I use firefox and should also acknowledge the success of Linux (Ubuntu), MySQL et al. But I remain skeptical that the free, open source mixxx will be able to compete with NI/Serato. Not trying to trash the efforts of a good community over there and i'll certainly try the next version.

I'm not too sure either. I don't really know anything about this mixxx, but if there's no kind of business plan behind it, it's gonna have a really hard time breaking through or staying alive. It'll probably end up being used mainly by geek 'dj's' playing dance hits from 5 years ago with only their mouse and keyboard, unless it either has a very clever marketing program or sports features which really blow the currently established programs away.

[Ryan Leo]

Capitalism at its finest.

Mixxx looks great for free. Its a good place to start for someone with no experience. Get a controller for next to nothing, split your head phone and start reading. By the time you learn how to DJ on that you'd be aware of the many things that require money to buy and would end up spending money in the long run.

All the money I have spent trying to "save money" over the last year I could have a staple mixer at the very least.

I think the Mixxx will always stay alive. Thats the idea of it. No ones going to get fired over there because they aren't making any money.

Its pretty cool with the scs 3 system. It uses the LEDs on the platter like you'd mark a vinyl.

[Sanderbongertman]

However good it may be, I think that many DJ's, myself included, don't feel like trusting on an open source application to make a living while there are products like Traktor that have more than enough features and are probably more stable because if it isn't they go out of business.

[Ryan Leo]

However good it may be, I think that many DJ's, myself included, don't feel like trusting on an open source application to make a living while there are products like Traktor that have more than enough features and are probably more stable because if it isn't they go out of business.

-Sanderbongertman


Your worried about Native Instruments making money and continuing there successful business.

If an open-source program developed to the point of stability of Traktor what would you do then?

If such a program existed and you didnt know anything about Native-Instruments because it was our first time considering being a DJ and it was proven to be at least equivalent to the Industry Standard. What would you do?

If your already making a living out of the being a DJ then I don't think the costs of the Industry Standards would be that big of a deal because your already generating some capital and I dont think the idea of Mixxx is to over-throw the companies creating the Standards as much as is it giving people an opurtunity to experience and consider Djing.

Maybe if people had a month or two with Mixxx they would give it up before they spend the X number of dollars to see how tratkor pro works. It also gives you a better appreciation of the abilities of Traktor.

I tried to quote Sanderbongertman but I'm still trying to figure it out.

[tombruton69]

Mixxx is developing at a much faster rate than Traktor and Serato. There is now over 30 people who have helped develope Mixxx. Any many other contributions. So all the vci 100 users on here are telling me that if mixxx had video support they wouldnt give it a go. The point with windows and mac OS being preinstalled is a go point. they are releasing updates every couple of months. They are playing catch up, however a couple of years down the line when the features are on par with serato and traktor are you really going to pay for sumthing you can get for free.

[astromech]

Mixxx is developing at a much faster rate than Traktor and Serato. There is now over 30 people who have helped develope Mixxx. Any many other contributions. So all the vci 100 users on here are telling me that if mixxx had video support they wouldnt give it a go. The point with windows and mac OS being preinstalled is a go point. they are releasing updates every couple of months. They are playing catch up, however a couple of years down the line when the features are on par with serato and traktor are you really going to pay for sumthing you can get for free.

While I agree with you in principle, something to remember is that NI and Serato are *innovating* in the field. I admire Mixxx and any FOSS, but they are playing catchup.

I love OSS. I run Android CM6.1, use Chrome/Firefox, have Jolicloud on my netbook and I would love to have Ableton/Traktor versions for Ubuntu, but facts is facts. Without the capital investment of Mozilla Foundation, Google or Canonical, it will always be feature emulation.