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[Conall]

I didn't read anyone's responses because I don't care.

I have two thoughts on the matter.

1. Pioneer mixers suck. Like, no really…they suck. I know they're used everywhere, which is convenient, because they're really easy to use. But they still suck for the price. I would never buy one to have, and yes…I've played on them.
2. I like external mixing better. I hate Traktor's gain structure, which means you need either an FOH mixer or external mixing (preferably both). I don't think the EQs sound good compared to real EQs. And I'm starting to think that Vestax makes the best mixers on the planet, though I haven't used a high-end Rane or Urei to any serious degree, nor any boutique brand. Still…I think external mixing is just plain better. It sounds better, it gives better control IMHO, and it lets you set the gain staging so that you don't get ugly digital clipping and you don't have to deal with Traktor's horrible-sounding limiter.

In short…external all the way…just don't use a Pioneer. Great decks…shitty mixers.

I wouldnt go as far as saying pioneer mixers suck, but they definately arnt as good as they are made out to be. Personally my fav mixers are A&H

[Sherlock Ohms]

Only A&H I've ever played on is the Xone:92 and I hate it ... no adjustment of the crossfader cut in is infuriating (and no, adjusting the 'bump' in the middle of the fader doesn't qualify)

[astromech]

Only A&H I've ever played on is the Xone:92 and I hate it ... no adjustment of the crossfader cut in is infuriating (and no, adjusting the 'bump' in the middle of the fader doesn't qualify)

It isn't a turntablist mixer. The only time I ever used the fader adjust on my mixer was when I first bought it and thought it was the volume control.

[mostapha]

@Conall, no. They suck. For that kind of money they shouldn't feel like they're put together by monkeys.

@Sherlock……CF cut in…it's a turntablist thing. That's not what that mixer's for. If I'd been designing it, it wouldn't have a crossfader. Most people wouldn't have noticed.

[photojojo]

I see no real benefit to that other than being able to say you spent more money on gear. If you think it'll make you feel more confident do it, but there's no real reason to .

[V-Hoff]

Im moving over to traktor scratch with cdj's and a small midi controller (nanokontrol) because the dj booths of today barely even have enough space for a laptop, let alone something like the s4. Once the new traktor software comes out there will be nothing someone can do on an s4 to set it apart from everything else on the market, apart from the whole "all in one" solution thing. which i personally think is negated by the fact that its massive and a total hassle to set up at any gig. Controllers like the s4 seem like fantastic idea on paper, but in real life situations its not a viable solution. Personally id much rather just come along with my soundcard, laptop and a small midi controller which can go beside the cdj's.

Man you know what you are talking.
I will do it with a iPAD and some tactile mid controller (I have two korg nanokontrols and no iPAD yet...)

At home I will use a DDM4000 with external mixing for emulation of the club's mixer.

[bazzfc]

i was at club and got in the booth and was looking about and there was not even room for a laptop the dj who was using scratch on technics at the time had his it on the floor. so since then i'm kinda thinking the s4 as great as it is maybe 2 x1's a mixer is more practical for gig use

[Ross]

I have a mate who just uses his Audio2 and an X1 and the club mixer. Doesn't even touch the CDJ's.

[bazzfc]

yeah thats my plan but with 4 decks

[sarasin]

There are many ways to skin the Traktor Cat!



That's its appeal innit?

You can either go barebones with Timecode CD's.....or you can get crazy with loads of hardware!

Pioneer mixers do have shitty sound output compared to A&H and Rane etc.

But do the punters even notice it? Only if they audiophiles!

You really need to choose a mixer that suits your needs.

If it is the house mixer...then you use it....or you don't! You either like to use it...or not!

Personally, i like to have a hybrid setup...so I can decide if i want to go heavy...or light!

Depending where and how I am playing!

So if you has the cash.....keep the S4.....get the X1's.....and do your thang!