TSI Tricking...Anyone have tips!?!

[Yul]

I've added 'post scriptum' while you were reading the post, have a look.


I don't know if you can get a steady light with the beat phase monitor, never occurred to me and never had the need. I'll be interested to know generally speaking and if that works too on the S4.

[VanGogo]

The loop recorder was origionally concieved so you could play a cue point juggle, or some other performance(fx play, etc.), record it on the fly and perform on top of it lopping. I don't think they really planned it as being a sample maker, but it works good for this also.

[bigbeatzz]

ps: as a personal opinion only, it's just for sharing a thought: I don't understand why you try to get rid of the loop recorder in a way - even to assign eventually some FX on it - it is really less interesting in what the LR can do for you. I've only scratched it myself and don't pretend at all to understand all the potential use of it but that's a very unique feature. I want to pass more time on it, I don't want to miss something that would be worth studying.

From a FX point of view, it allows to modulate your own Fx, combos, whatever, edit, add, remove, repeat, dub and modulate those on the fly in a perfect time frame for a given sequence. No other super knob can do that.
What do you think?

Hmm...maybe you have a point. Although I must say having cool effects in that middle section is very handy if you are on the faders or filtering. Maybe I am going to have to work on a super tsi that fits my needs for the x1.

This has been a great learning process, I appreciate you help!!! =)

[haze324]

I don't know if you can get a steady light with the beat phase monitor, never occurred to me and never had the need. I'll be interested to know generally speaking and if that works too on the S4.

Yul thanks for your tips.

I mapped the undo button to beat phase monitor and did what Bigbeatzz did and put midi at 127 and 127 and it gives me as solid light that doesn't flicker like master does -- sweet!. So then I tried to make it where it was flashing when off and solid when on. I set that as beat phase monitor with midi at 0 and 127. It flashes like this with no issues. But when I try to use a modifer for when it's pressed the light just stays solid all the time. I put a modifier of M=1 when the button is presses. So I put flashing only happens when M=0 and solid happens when M=1 but it didn't work. This would work great if would tell which button was pressed because it was flashing.

I attached the .TSI for anyone who wants to check it out. If you press UNDO under the LR it will load an effect preset to effects 2 and 4. Hold shift on the DECK you would like to use it on and press undo again. It will then assign the effect to the deck of the shift you were pressing. Then turn the LR knob and crank! :eek:

[Yul]

If I understand correctly what you're saying, that's why I think a steady light isn't desirable here as you won't be able to 'cover' the led feedback from the LR. Use the beat phase monitor normally (blinking). It blinks, you're 'on', it doesn't you're 'off'. I don't see how that could be done differently.
I once reproduced the path/flow of leds for the LR within a custom mapping (without the embedded mapping) and it's already a bit complex to do perfectly. And I'm pretty sure that even with setting the same path to counter the native led feedback won't work even with output commands trying to negate the light. Only solution I found was the beat phase monitor.


As for putting super knobs somewhere, I suggest (once again that's only a thought), they would better positioned on the FX knobs themselves. As a quick idea: your super knob(s) would probably be some chained FX in group mode right. So don't use 4 FX units, it lessens the difficulty of a potential mapping.
When in group mode, the first button (hardware: fx on/off) doesn' have a function even with shift. Create your super knobs on the Fx unit's knobs when 'fx panel mode=0' and create a modifier that would toggle on and off your super knobs' state on this button.
The only thing to follow here is you need to set a super knob depending on the knob you're using: for the D/W knob your first super knob should act on the D/W, for the second super knob (on the 1st parameter knob on the unit) it should act a t least on the 1st fx and the button under it shall at least engage on/off the 1st fx, etc, etc...
I think that's how I'll try.

You keep the loop recorder, you have your FX unit doubled with super knobs eventually, you only use two units so it eases the mapping process. I think that would work.
Any thought?

[haze324]

Yul great ideas. I could see some creative uses here for folks to map some neat FX’s within the native mapping. Here are some thoughts back at you.

LED’s – I initially tried to do it the way you described. Off = no lights. On = blinking. No luck. Beat Phase Monitor flashes at all times (or stays lit if I change it to 127/127). The way I mapped it was Modifier 8 (M8) I used that modifier as the undo button and put the value to =1. So M8=1 is undo. I put beat phase monitor to flash when M8=1 and it just flashes all the time.

Ok so using the FX banks. This could work and work great. One of the issues I have is finding the best way to assign the FX banks to a deck and still have visual output on the controller and not the screen. I think pressing the on/off button could be it as I still have the standard deck assignment buttons by the gain encoders. The challenge we have is what button to use as the “preset” to load and turn on the effects. I’m guessing if I use a 1st FX button to load it already works to turn on the effect in the native mapping so it does not conflict. Plan is to use one bank in chained and the other in advanced. So that would give me three preset’s from the chained FX section. Would be sweet if I turn on the on/off button and the three FX buttons would flash in beatsync signaling we’re in FX Super Knob mode.

In fact as I write this I may use the on/off button to toggle “on” Super Knob mode and use the LR knob in the center for the knob itself (just easy to use because of location) and when I toggle off the on/off button the LR will be back in place.

There’s a few possibilities here.

[bigbeatzz]

Haze at least we now has steady on lights...Thats extremely helpful. I need to more combos for my knobs. I need a delay build up and 1 super chopper thing.

Anyone have some combo's for me to try, I will post up the TSI once it's done. I have attached my last attempt, the only thing different from the previous version is that the lights are now steady on with no glitches. Size and Undo are preloaded at the moment, all you need is to have your effects set to 4 units.

@ Yul...I don't think I'm going to miss the loop recorder, the way it works now is way more suited to my style. 2 or 3 decks and some dope effects suits me just fine.

Also @ Yul...You are a guru! Thanks for the great help on this and all your other posts.

[Yul]

you're welcome, I'm learning too.

I'm thinking in terms of only two fx banks here.
The best led feedback you can get to see you're on a super knob mode, is to assign the beat phase monitor to the on/off button (unused on group mode), toggling 0 to 1, blinking when 1. Add the modifier to be reset to 0 if you press the fx mode button so you don't have to keep exclusively this custom mode. You can also take advantage of the Fx panel mode modifier to refine your mapping here I guess.

For presets I already posted a method to get more presets, did you have a look at it previously (I need to correct it by the way)? You can select rapidly fx if you add the shift to the knob as a method of selection (quicker and better than having to press shift+ one of the button), and still be able to call the presets by using shift +one of the button if you follow what I have suggested for the method.

If you're not using combos that use two FX units, it's not really worth using 4 Fx units on what you want to do. A personal opinion only. Better keep two fx units, have all int he same and logic place, still have the two assign buttons for each decks, be able to switch each unit from group/advanced/superknob modes AND performance wise, it's cool to have a combo on fx unit 1 and flavor it with an advanced fx on unit 2. A sweep then cut with the gater for example. If you can do exactly what you need without adding more complexity the better (and just for the sake of not loosing control of units 1&2 if you switch deck layers).


(by the way if you (re) watch the video below, you'll see how I make use of the beat phase monitor to get some more led feedback from my set up of things).

LED’s – I initially tried to do it the way you described. Off = no lights. On = blinking. No luck. Beat Phase Monitor flashes at all times (or stays lit if I change it to 127/127). The way I mapped it was Modifier 8 (M8) I used that modifier as the undo button and put the value to =1. So M8=1 is undo. I put beat phase monitor to flash when M8=1 and it just flashes all the time.

A guess and needs to be tried, you may need to cover all events here, so you need to have set a output function when M8=0. But it won't replace the native led feedback if the events from the loop recorder happen (hence blink/no blink suggestion).


Sorry it's all only thinking, I didn't have a look at the tsi.

@ Yul...I don't think I'm going to miss the loop recorder, the way it works now is way more suited to my style. 2 or 3 decks and some dope effects suits me just fine.

As said, just a thought only, I don't pretend to tell you what would best suit you. It was a way of saying, that you can do exactly what you want (add super knobs) AND keep the LR.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze2j3g5Bxiw
On group mode, the beat phase monitor blinks on the on/off button (to show me a specific function I added there).
On advanced mode, it blinks on the reset button (to remind me to be very careful when touching this button).
I'm using 4 fx units because I do use automatic combos implying two fx units so I lost one of the two FX assign buttons for each deck, I've added a call to an instant FX there, it blinks when pushed/hold.

[haze324]

nevermind. I figured it out.

Yul. Thanks for the tips again man. I'm gonna owe you a drink by the time this is finished. I think i've got a sweet idea for this to work.



Super Knobs on the S4 here we come.

Bigbeatzz....your a gangsta bro.

[Yul]

Without going too deep in my try, I've just made something as I wrote:

On group mode, I used the fx on/off button to enter a super knob state, shown by a blinked led. You go out of the mode either by pressing it again or changing the unit from group to advanced.
I created three super knobs presets all called by shift + one of the three fx parameters buttons (the native preset is made by shift + fx on/off so I don't touch that).

First button engages all three FX, the knob itself control all parameters are once.
Did the same for the other two other knobs just carefully choosing the combo so the second knob use a combo that moves at least the second parameter, and the third combo at least move the third parameter (for the rest it's up to you and the choice of your combo).

Benefits:
all in one logic place
clear led feedback
each unit can be switched between three modes one being a super knob mode with three super knobs (didn't do it for the d/w knob as you may want to have this control separated for your combo or because I did use the underlying button to enter the mode).
you keep the native preset for group mode
you don't have to use 4 fx units
you keep the two assign FX buttons
you keep control over the two fx units even if you switch deck layers
easy to set up without getting rid of the LR (and not being obliged to try to counter everything).

what do you think, isn't that what you wanted to do in the first place?