Dubspot online training/ courses - good or bad?

[scamo]

Interesting. Thanks for the tips. Doesn't look like anyone has actually taken a course. Hmm...

I've already viewed a lot of ellaskinz vids. I like how he makes his videos anywhere and everywhere (in his house?). Lickable clinks anyone?

I'd like to see some more of him actually DJing. I haven't seemed to find any.

Over the years, I've learned though, if you learn the basics wrong, you'll probably end up with (bad) habits, that will hamper more than help your success. I am pretty sure that also goes for digital DJing and mixing music. It is just one of those facts of life. But if you learn from the best or the with best possible oppotunities, you'll have a better chance of learning the right ways. That is what I am interested in.

I will take you guys up on your advice to come here with specific questions. I like the community here already. Thanks!

scamo

edit/ p.s. ehem....maybe a business idea for Ean? Ean Goldens online DJ seminars? Where the seminars are a bit more in depth and more structured and have more material to learn and practise with??? For instance, I'd like to see videos like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYd_I2nx3Xc

but also be able to get the music and clips try to do accomplish the same as what the video tries to teach. (with what ever tools I may have at my disposal)

[theory28]

"I'd like to see some more of him actually DJing. I haven't seemed to find any."

lately he's been going on ustream once or twice a month. sub to his youtube to catch the temporary videos he puts up as a reminder. also, watch his gig logs. not a lot of mixing but meh

[mostapha]

Over the years, I've learned though, if you learn the basics wrong, you'll probably end up with (bad) habits, that will hamper more than help your success. I am pretty sure that also goes for digital DJing and mixing music. It is just one of those facts of life. But if you learn from the best or the with best possible oppotunities, you'll have a better chance of learning the right ways. That is what I am interested in.

Cheers.

But, dance music has always been a seat-of-the-pants DIY kind of thing. What happened with its evolution is a great part of the reason some people think controllerism is the future. I think they're full of crap, because I haven't heard a controllerist routine that didn't sound like a pregnant whale being put through a blender. But…my asinine musical predilections aside, I still think the best thing to do is learn yourself.

Yeah…you need to learn basics first…how music is structured, how it fits together, how to structure a set, what a key clash sounds like, how snares and hats from different tracks interact to define or screw up a groove, how bass lines play over each other, etc.. One of the best ways to do that is to learn to beat match manually, even if you don't keep doing it…just something about the way it teaches you to listen to music.

And listen to a lot of music…think about how they'd fit with the rest of your music. My music shopping binges involve around 1000 tracks a day…and they happen more often than a lot of people would think. Effing beatport releasing so much music…it cuts into the rest of my life…or it would if I had one (I'm actually about 60 songs in to today's shopping…thankfully, I don't do things at work).

Apart from that…watch videos if you get stuck. The videos in the beginner's section at djforums.com/forums/ are good if you're at a really early level or feel like you need to go back to the basics.

Also…if you're talking about learning fundamentals the right way…regardless of whether you like it or not…now is not the time to be learning turntablism or controllerism. You're not going to do anything but screw yourself over and destroy your ability to let music speak for itself.

If you're learning fundamentals, you're not a performer…you're learning to be a conductor. If that's where you want to go, you can be a performer later. But if you don't learn how to structure a set now, you never will. That's why the vast majority of people who call themselves controllerists bore people to death after 5 minutes. Frankly, I think the same goes for turntablists, though it seems that more of them might know how to DJ instead of just wank all over their tables, though if that's the case I'm sure it's just because turntablism is more mature and controllerism is in its infancy. I'm convinced it's also the core of the reason people are still seeing resistance getting controllers into a lot of clubs.

Controllerist: "I can do so much more."

Promoter: "Yeah…but can you do the same thing? Show me that you don't suck at DJing, then I'll let you show me how good you are at controllerist-ing."

(that sentence kinda got away from me…I hope it's clear)

[scamo]

Thanks mostapha. Nice post.

scamo

[JamesPB]

Hey,

Point Blank Music School offer a number of free sample courses, these can also be combined with their other youtube tutorial videos.

I would reccomend signing up for the free Sample Course and seeing how that goes.

http://www.pointblankonline.net/dj-a...---ableton.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50zCM...el_video_title

[yianno]

Im currently doing a course with dubspot online and i have done one with point blank i went to london school of sound and have viseted several SAE's No comparison Dubspot is the best thing i have ever done . Point Blank was boring the tutors were average. Dubspot has cool artist im doing traktor course at the moment and my tutors are Shiftee and Endo and endo comes on 3 days a week for an hour to ask anything its insane im learning more in my own home than EVER before the videos are fun not booring and more importantly all the tutors at dubspot make really good music and have releases. DUBSPOT ALL DAY LONG!! most fun i have had learning the support is there for you and you not only learn from tutors but also classmates. Im doing Maschine Course Logic and Essential Music foundation. they have literally changed everything for me , Also SAE is more for sound engineers

[dirty moose]

I went to school for "studio recording", it was at my community college about 6 or 7 years ago. I don't really remember any of it but i know the class i took the most from was the Music Theory class. Once you learn the keys you can pick on the rest of your own.

My kiss of death was the internship i had. I was there for 6 months before i left, i that 6 month span i never touch a piece of gear....

[bigheadmikelove]

Im currently doing a course with dubspot online and i have done one with point blank i went to london school of sound and have viseted several SAE's No comparison Dubspot is the best thing i have ever done . Point Blank was boring the tutors were average. Dubspot has cool artist im doing traktor course at the moment and my tutors are Shiftee and Endo and endo comes on 3 days a week for an hour to ask anything its insane im learning more in my own home than EVER before the videos are fun not booring and more importantly all the tutors at dubspot make really good music and have releases. DUBSPOT ALL DAY LONG!! most fun i have had learning the support is there for you and you not only learn from tutors but also classmates. Im doing Maschine Course Logic and Essential Music foundation. they have literally changed everything for me , Also SAE is more for sound engineers

unfortunately this is your first (and to this point only) post...thus making you sound more like a dubspot employee

[Bov]

I can see the point in online courses but I'm never about them, (esp when there is SOOO much free info out there on youtube like from ellaskinz that other people have mentioned and from other sites)

I just mix at home and then listen back, if theres something I get stuck on, I come here or google it.

If I had the money though, I'd head over and do a course in their school, you know, just to meet like minded people and network and whatever

[yianno]

lol if i was a dubspot employee my grammer would be much better!! nah im just hyped honestly found out about this site because of the midi fighter ( how cool) and i live in the uk. I was just amazed at how good the content is i did a course with point blank and it was all written stuff these are all videos and fun to watch and its all original nothing from the youtube channels. Im actually having alot of fun