Nano Pad

[mpetersen3]

Yea, you can use the fx unit to control parameters. You might be saying ok, 2 parameters, but if you use modifiers correctly you can control every knob on the fx setup (not that this would be optimal). As soon as the DJTT final mapping is released I will be bringing out my VCI-100 Nanopad mapping. This is looking like the final is going to have a browse scene, a looping scene (w/ richie hawtin style syncing) a cue scene (pretty close to the one in the we will rock you tutorial) and an fx section.

[Chilly]

The Mole thinks that he can reuse the 4 knobs on the VCI100 for something other than controlling the knobs in TPro's effect section if he uses the nanoPad, which isn't really the case. At all.

You don't have any control over each of those knobs with the nanoPad. That's why they're knobs...

[JeRK]

I got one Nano Pad last week, and i just ordered another, so i can keep one on each side of my vci to be used as each decks transports buttons(mainly decks 3 and 4) for Acapellas and samples. and i plan on keeping them as juggling live loops triggers/cue pts as well.

[mpetersen3]

The Mole thinks that he can reuse the 4 knobs on the VCI100 for something other than controlling the knobs in TPro's effect section if he uses the nanoPad, which isn't really the case. At all.

You don't have any control over each of those knobs with the nanoPad. That's why they're knobs...

Not sure chilly if you think he means that he can control the knobs on the vci-100 with the nanopad. (This isn't what he is saying). You can assign the touch pad on the nanopad to control 2 effect parameters by assigning it as an analog fader/knob (I believe don't quote me on the exact mapping I am at work). But nonetheless it definitely can be done man.

[Chilly]

Not sure chilly if you think he means that he can control the knobs on the vci-100 with the nanopad. (This isn't what he is saying). You can assign the touch pad on the nanopad to control 2 effect parameters by assigning it as an analog fader/knob (I believe don't quote me on the exact mapping I am at work). But nonetheless it definitely can be done man.

Oh, I understand that concept completely...but you are now tied to using all the knobs at once (or whichever knobs you want to use, say 1 + 4) for a particular effect or effect group.

You can't, at all, have separate control of the 4 knobs for both effect sections on the nanoPad.

So no, it can't be done

His first post asks what we'd use the free'd up efx knobs for on the VCI-100...you really can't get rid of those knobs with the nanoPad and still have the same level of control.

[MisterMoleyMole]

Jeez this is difficult

i use chained effects so each effect has one knob to control its plus the dry/wet...

surly if i map a button on the nano to an effect on off switch in traktor and have a modifier which then changes the x y control to control the 1 efx parameter for that fx on/off and the dry/wet ie. x = dry/wet y = fx parameter in question (eg beat masher lenghth) this would definately free up a knob on my vci to use for something else ?

It may not be the best idea, i'm new to this but surely this is correcty in thoery no matter how perfect it is or isnt ?

[mpetersen3]

Yea, he wasn't suggesting removing the entirety of the fx section, it isn't a feasible solution, there you are right, but where you say it can't be done, that is incorrect, using modifiers you can have 4 sets of 2 parameters controlled. I completely concur that this isn't the best method, however, in the nanopad's favor I will say that using a touch pad to control fx is much better than a knob. You can control 2 fx with one finger + use you other free hand to twiddle the remaining two knobs (obviously though only one at a time) . This allows for a greater control with the fx. Using modifiers so that you can quickly change which two knobs you want to grab increases this further. The only downside to the touch pad is that unlike a knob it won't keep the position for you if you don't know where it is (I believe they call this hard takeover or something). Not that I would buy the nanopad for this reason alone, but if you have em use em so to speak. I will probably map the nanopad to ableton and use the touchpad to control smart mixing and some other stuff in there, if I can achieve that kind of level of control over Bento's smart mixer, afaik it is based around knobs and might not be controllable to a good level with only the touch pad. My nanopad mapping will definitely have a preset fx bank, which also simultaneously modifies the touch pad.

[Chilly]

Jeez this is difficult

i use chained effects so each effect has one knob to control its plus the dry/wet...

surly if i map a button on the nano to an effect on off switch in traktor and have a modifier which then changes the x y control to control the 1 efx parameter for that fx on/off and the dry/wet ie. x = dry/wet y = fx parameter in question (eg beat masher lenghth) this would definately free up a knob on my vci to use for something else ?

It may not be the best idea, i'm new to this but surely this is correcty in thoery no matter how perfect it is or isnt ?

I mean, if all you're ever going to use is that effect from now until eternity, sure. I guess it could work then.

Why would you want to limit yourself like that tho? It doesn't make much sense in a real-world application.

To answer your original question, I have both the VCI-100se and a nanoPad, and I don't want to use any of my effect knobs for anything else, even though I do have effect bank 2 mapped to the nanoPad.

I would lose all functionality in effect bank 1 if that was the case.

Here's an idea: use your knob for whatever you want man. It's completely mappable, and only you know how you want to play. Personally I think it's a mistake, but hey, it's not my mapping.

[Chilly]

Yea, he wasn't suggesting removing the entirety of the fx section, it isn't a feasible solution, there you are right, but where you say it can't be done, that is incorrect, using modifiers you can have 4 sets of 2 parameters controlled. I completely concur that this isn't the best method, however, in the nanopad's favor I will say that using a touch pad to control fx is much better than a knob. You can control 2 fx with one finger + use you other free hand to twiddle the remaining two knobs (obviously though only one at a time) . This allows for a greater control with the fx. Using modifiers so that you can quickly change which two knobs you want to grab increases this further. The only downside to the touch pad is that unlike a knob it won't keep the position for you if you don't know where it is (I believe they call this hard takeover or something). Not that I would buy the nanopad for this reason alone, but if you have em use em so to speak. I will probably map the nanopad to ableton and use the touchpad to control smart mixing and some other stuff in there, if I can achieve that kind of level of control over Bento's smart mixer, afaik it is based around knobs and might not be controllable to a good level with only the touch pad. My nanopad mapping will definitely have a preset fx bank, which also simultaneously modifies the touch pad.

I'm sorry, but I'm getting a little fed up with the ridiculousness of this topic. Your post even contradicts itself:

"This allows for a greater control with the fx. Using modifiers so that you can quickly change which two knobs you want to grab increases this further."

followed by:

"The only downside to the touch pad is that unlike a knob it won't keep the position for you if you don't know where it is (I believe they call this hard takeover or something)."

You can't have both greater control + not knowning what position your knobs are in. Are you understanding where I'm coming from yet? It's not possible to have any control!

So, as an example, I want to use the Delay effect, and change the Dry/Wet to 75%, then move the effect from 4/4 to 1/4. When it sounds good, finish the Dry/Wetto 100%, then add enough feedback so it doesn't overpower the mix. For fun, hit the FRZ button when it all sounds good (yes, I know it's not a knob setting).

Better yet, chain your effects...now, decide how much of each effect you want to make your mix sound good. You want them all on at 100%?

hmmm...something doesn't sound right!

It's all in how you play, man. If you want to use the pad as your efx control, knock yourself out. Personally I would never use just that pad for it, but hey, to each his own. Just please don't say you have greater control!

[MisterMoleyMole]

"I mean, if all you're ever going to use is that effect from now until eternity, sure. I guess it could work then."


Chilly why can you only control one effect with the nano pad ????

you could have as many effects setup as you have buttons as each button turns an effct on and also when that button turns on it links teh xy pad into the parameter and dry / wet for that effect.