Why so much hate for digital?

**Accidental-DJ** · 12-11-2011, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dubstyles1

i got a s4 but just found it to easy,so i went and bought a cdj 850 and hooked it up to the s4 and now mix from cdj to s4,feels more real,i use the s4 as a source and mixer..but for the price u do get alot with the s4 the fx are awsome
and also the looping function...

Can the S4 be used as a mixer without needing to use traktor?

**dope** · 12-11-2011, 09:04 PM

I think so, not 100% sure tho

**Bl4ck3n3D** · 12-11-2011, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Accidental-DJ

Can the S4 be used as a mixer without needing to use traktor?

The S4 isn't a complete standalone mixer, it needs the computer to operate external sources. The Denon DN MC-6000 on the other hand can be used as an external mixer without being plugged into a computer.

**Neuroshock** · 12-12-2011, 02:33 AM

Thanks for the replies guys, to be fair I should have searched, guess I just started on a rant and got carried away!

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**photojojo** · 12-12-2011, 07:43 AM

Just like the hate for CDJ's eventually went away the hate for controllers will eventually go away. Hopefully the controller DJ's will be more open minded and not the hypocrites some of the CDJ DJ's are.

**mostapha** · 12-12-2011, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by photojojo

Just like the hate for CDJ's eventually went away the hate for controllers will eventually go away. Hopefully the controller DJ's will be more open minded and not the hypocrites some of the CDJ DJ's are.

I don't think it's going to happen. The jump from vinyl to CDJs was smaller because the techniques involved were essentially the same. It still made things easier because it gave you "features" like looping and hot cues, so you didn't have to carry doubles, and you didn't have to be as quick. But it wasn't that different.

I also think that cost plays a lot into it. CDJ owners during the vinyl->cd switch had to seriously think about whether these emerging online mp3/wav shops claiming to sell tracks for $2/each would make it worth spending $1200 on a single deck instead of $250 (the price of a used 1200 at the time). Now, you still have to balance the cost of an $1800 deck to a $750 deck and see if $2/song balances out against $12/song. It takes like a hundred tracks, which means ROI is still pretty quick, especially the way some people buy music these days.

Controller stuff…if you're using your existing laptop…is insanely cheap. You don't have to figure out the ROI or anything else…you just buy it and are instantly ahead (in terms of pure money).

I know the first time I saw a Hercules thing in a club, I left the room without even pretending to give the guy a chance. Those things cost less than my monthly budget for vinyl. I saw it as a complete lack of commitment to be gigging with a toy. I'd like to say that it doesn't matter what you use…and if you can throw a good enough set, I really don't care if I'm just listening to it…but when it comes right down to it, on a night out, I'd like to think the DJ cares what he's doing…and there are levels of cheap that I'm not willing to pay cover for.

**haze324** · 12-12-2011, 10:46 AM

^ well said man.

It may sound messed up, but I do agree there is a big difference between seeing a guy on a hercules or a guy on two X1's and Xone mixer. I think the investment is a good point, and it's not so much hate for controllers. I also think the level that you are playing at makes a big differnece. I will play small parties or even small bars with a VCI-300, but I would never bring it to a club.

**U-31** · 12-12-2011, 11:00 AM

the dj could be on two bongo's and Fisher Price my first record player as long as he rocks the place as far as im concerned

**mostapha** · 12-12-2011, 11:33 AM

I always love that argument because it literally means nothing.

I mean…I get where you're coming from, but if you really saw someone bring that into a club where you were the resident or headliner, you'd throw him out. It's not worth the chance that he'll ruin the crowd before you get to play.

Originally Posted by haze324

I will play small parties or even small bars with a VCI-300, but I would never bring it to a club.

I think those vestax units (100 and 300) are the absolute bottom of what I'd be okay with seeing in a club. I know you can do a lot with basically nothing, but in the age of DJs as celebrities, appearance matters.

Another way to say it is that if you're not invested in presenting yourself, how can you possibly be invested in expressing yourself? Especially if the club has real equipment sitting there. I don't think the Hercules threw me off nearly as much as seeing a djm-800, a pair of 1210m5gs, and a pair of 2000s sitting next to it unused.