Reloop or Vestax ... I know it's been asked before

[BentoSan]

the only thing that annoys me is to think the pitch fader seems to be unuseful for lots of people to match the tempos totally manually, without using the sync option of the software...

The 1.4 firmware that we have been working with Vestax to create will fix the issue of low resolution pitch faders on the VCI-100 (along with lots of other goodies)

Dont ask me when it will be here because i am not sure, but it IS comming ! *excited* hehe

[R2D2]

the only thing that annoys me is to think the pitch fader seems to be unuseful for lots of people to match the tempos totally manually, without using the sync option of the software...

I thought that before buying one after reading some stuff on the net but I can use the pitch faders no probs to mix they ant no technics faders but they are usable with abit of adjustment

[Karlos Santos]

Dont ask me when it will be here

When will it be here..

[plusplus]

The reloop looks like a nice piece of kit, how much are they do ya reckon?

The prices in Germany are 249Euro for the standard version,
and 329Euro for the Version with sound interface.
Prices for revision1 and the revision2(which comes out in June) are the same.

[Jester]

Thats $575 NZD. About the same price i paid for the i-mix.

[plusplus]

You better check in local store, price vary a lot in different countries.

[Guust-Fi]

Beware!

I sold my vci because I wanted to play around with some rotaries and I didn't want to spend more money on a second controller. So I bought a reloop digital jockey instead.

At first I thought buttons felt a little bit flimsy but I wasn't entirely happy with the buttons/knobs on the vci either. Apparently the buttons below the jogs on my reloop are already starting to malfunction. The other buttons work fine. Maybe this issue has been resolved at the time of speaking. The only way to tell would be asking for a replacement.
If the issue still occurs I might have to do a arcade button mod. (I just can't afford dropping a track and then realising it didn't fire because the button didn't make contact properly.
An arcade button mod would be better either way but you'll lose warranty + it will cost more money.

[monstrejumo]

Hi,

Thanks BentoSan, I didn't see this thread was keeping on

Guust-Fi,

I saw your little review and comparison of the 2, when you had it both, and you seemed pretty happy with the reloop.

Could you enlight me please, about midi implementation:

does the 2 midi layers (accessible via shift buttons) share the SAME midi parameters, using a kind of modulator in traktor to be assigned to 2 different devices, OR;

does the reloop have a fully DUAL MIDI LAYERS implementation, that is to say, one button sends 2 different midi notes or messages if shift is pressed or not?

I don't know if I'm clear, but I'd like to use my dj controller IN my live set (ableton live + padkontroll and faderfox LV2), and the ability to have 2 distinct midi layers could allow me to control Traktor AND Live simultaneously with the Reloop.

i.e:

layer 1 = traktor, classical use

layer 2 = parameters of my live set (my live set is like an in-depth mix of my tracks, and it outputs 2 general busses in the master.) I could use the line faders, fx pots and EQ pots to control Volumes, FX and EQs in live...

So I coud mix 2 tracks from traktor + 2 channels of my live set on the same dj controller, and still have my other controllers to in-depth live tweaking (my tracks in live are multi-tracks, and I have the volume faders and mute buttons on the faderfox; and those multi-tracks are cut in 8 slices that I can trigger with the padkontrol...)

well, I hope I'm clear with my question:

does the reloop allow this that seems not possible with the VCI:

Send a different midi parameter with one button/fader/pot when the shift key is on ? (without the help of traktor or bome's midi translator pro)


thanks a lot

ps: I saw that the reloop DJ 2 interface edition would be priced at 369euros, and this price seems attractive, but 249 euros for the controller edition would be really cool... but with such a cheap price, will the build quality be reliable???

cheers

[Guust-Fi]

I'll check the midi layer implementation tomorrow.

As I said. So far it hasn't been reliable. (Speaking about the cue buttons as mentioned...)
I don't have any experience with korg or faderfox but I am pretty certain you will find the reloop a step down in build quality.
Considering your current setup I would tend to advice against the reloop and in favor of the vestax.

The reason you want an extra controller is for the "traditional" controls such as jogwheels... crossfader etc. isn't it?
Those are al a tad better on the vestax. Especially the jogs. Also vestax fits in any bag. Reloop doesn't.
To control the effects in traktor I guess you could use the encoders on your faderfox?

[monstrejumo]

I'll check the midi layer implementation tomorrow.

As I said. So far it hasn't been reliable. (Speaking about the cue buttons as mentioned...)
I don't have any experience with korg or faderfox but I am pretty certain you will find the reloop a step down in build quality.
Considering your current setup I would tend to advice against the reloop and in favor of the vestax.

The reason you want an extra controller is for the "traditional" controls such as jogwheels... crossfader etc. isn't it?
Those are al a tad better on the vestax. Especially the jogs. Also vestax fits in any bag. Reloop doesn't.
To control the effects in traktor I guess you could use the encoders on your faderfox?

Thanks man,

yes the vci seems the ONE,considering the build quality.

But this midi question is really important to me, since the VCI won't allow me to use 2 layers for 2 softwares, because the shift option that is doable with the vci seems to use traktor's modifier option, in the hardware side of the question, the vci has only ONE midi parameters layer... so I won't be able to control Traktor AND ableton Live with the VCI simultaneously,...

whereas the reloop might make it doable...

so I'm waiting for your feedback about the reloop's midi implementation!


concerning your question about my faderfox, yes it could be mapped to traktor FX's, but traktor FX's don't attract me. I'm not an "fx DJ", all I want is to be able to mix mp3s in a classical way, and to mix it in my ableton live set simultaneously. the faderfox and padkontrol are assigned to my live set parameters.

Thanks agein,

cheers

ps: while thinking further more on this midi question, I realise I could manage my setup with a bit of brain tweaking and using bomes tranlator pro (that is 80$ I think, and I would need the PRO version because in non-pro there is no modifiers...)

I would need to make a TSI file, where all defaut vci/ traktor assignations are regular, but with a SHIFT button that would make all these controls not assigned to traktor.
With bomes I would use another modifier, to have all midi controls not going thru Live, but only when the SHIFT button is on...

seems an idea.

Well, brainstorming seems never finished!!! lol


cheers