Where is the love?

[Bassline Brine]

I think you hit a pretty good mark with your post OP.

I think it's a combination of a few things really. There really are a lot of people who are just getting into the electronic dance music thing now. With this current wave, which we can thank Dubstep for, there's a lot of new people who just do not know the history or foundation of where everything came from. It's the issue with new folks in anything, but it's just a matter of teaching people.

I see it with my friends. Now, take I've been listening HARD to this stuff since I was about 14 or so, going to shows since I was 16, and that was 11 years ago. I'm only NOW being able to get them to come to some shows.

Of course people are going to go nuts at Ultra for the stuff they are familiar with. It just happens to be the "big" thing right now, the boys touring the most, happen to be Dubstep guys.

It also people love to bitch about success. Someone is famous? He MUST BE A DOUCHECANOE! >.> But seriously, it's just one of those things. People do it with every genre of music, as most of us live, eat, sleep, shit EDM, we're just seeing it here more and more as our love becomes popular.

Haters gunna hate.

And I agree with you. Just take it all in. I'm fucking HAPPY that more "pop" artists are playing housey business. Seriously. If this shit was on the radio, I would STILL be rocking out to it. And current pop music? House music of 5 years ago with shitty lyrics over the top.

It's also a matter, and this is just my opinion, that there are two kinds of people who listen to music.
1) People who listen for lyrics.
2) People who listen for the beat/melody/rhythm.

And that defines our musical culture. The lyric folk own the "overworld" (as I like to call it), and the music folk have always owned the "underground" really. Just look at opera vs symphony, blues and jazz, the list goes on.

More people are realizing that what we listen to is awesome. And instead of laughing at them for liking some of the break-through artists, I like to say "Well if you like those guys, check these guys out." And help learn people up a lesson. It's another part of the electronic music community as a whole that I really enjoy, more people are nice and willing to help out rather than just be dickbag-shitfucks about everything (Can really see the difference from punk vs edm on this issue, even if there is a shared comradery).

Don't get too worked up about anything. Enjoy what you enjoy, do what you do, and if it gets popular, enjoy sharing that with more people.

[haze324]

I remember years back when The World is Mine was a big hit, Guetta played here in Miami and it was an awesome fucking show. He killed the place. As for him and his latest tracks, I don't care either way. I've also seen James Zabiela put an entire WMC party to sleep, dying for the next artist to come on.

As far as skills go, these guys have been around quite a while, I'd imagine on any night they could drop a killer set and are as skilled as you can get with years of practice. Im sure like everyone else, they have off nights and receive twice the amount of shit from everyone else.

[Sn0wday]

Tiesto basically bad mouth trance, where he got his start from, where he got huge from, calling it garbage and too easy and went Electro. To me thats just poor form imo. You might transition to other things, but to call where you came from easy and boring is just ridic. This is my main dislike of Tiesto. Guetta rode the wave of F*ck me im famous party but couldn't produce any of his own tracks. Joachim Garraud admitted to producing Guettas tracks for the first 5-7 years of Guettas career. Since 2007 is when Guetta actually started producing his own tracks.

Not that anyone actually knows many of these things. And not that I care, I like some of both of there stuff at times. BUT I dislike tiesto because of his attitude toward electronic. Like he invented it or something. Guetta I could care less about but I don't totally dislike the guy.

Mind=Blown.

[lethal_pizzle]

I don't think there exists bad music in this world

This is all very well and I admire your sentiment, however the human experience is based around making decisions as to what's good or bad. Without it, we wouldn't be able to cross the road without getting squashed flat. We'd constantly be choosing food to eat that we didn't like (or would poison us). We would be rubbish DJs.

Hate the right things for the right reasons!

[ToOntown]

I've said this in other threads-- I don't hate on anyone for doing their thing and getting famous for it. They put in work, they see the rewards. Save for Rebecca Black...she didn't get famous for the right reasons so her story bothers me quite a bit. Even if she is just doing her thing, nobody *truly* appreciates it.

What makes me hate on an artist is when they get preachy, get fake, or lose their humility. I think Sonny Moore is a genuinely good dude who is just doing what he loves to do. He knows the history of his craft and has tons of respect for the guys who paved the way for him. To me, he's real and that is all I ask of anyone. Same with Joel Zimmerman. Both are polarizing figures in the DJ world but both have earned my respect. I know people who have had beers with both and they said they are really nice guys who just LOVE producing music for their fans. You know who I think is as fake as rubber dog shit? Lady Gaga.

Now that Aoki, Skrillex, Deadmow Five, and Gwetta have made it to the top they want to stay there. That means giving the people what they want. It's what any smart artist would do. People want shows--they want a visual experience with pomp and circumstance. These guys can all DJ...I guarantee it, but their shows are 80% visual so why put the emphasis on their DJ skills? We don't go see them for a good DJ routine. We go to clubs and raves for that.

As for new DJs wanting instant gratification? Makes my blood boil... I've preached on this forum that there needs to be a minimum post threshold before a thread can be opened. At least 20 posts. It would weed out the riff raff, cut down on spam, and force people to search. And those 20 posts would have to be quality and constructive. Mods would have to work a little harder, but it's the only way to cut down on "what should I buy" "how do I beatmatch" and "give me some music" threads.

[elio_xh]

This is all very well and I admire your sentiment, however the human experience is based around making decisions as to what's good or bad. Without it, we wouldn't be able to cross the road without getting squashed flat. We'd constantly be choosing food to eat that we didn't like (or would poison us). We would be rubbish DJs.

Hate the right things for the right reasons!

There we go! That properly phrases what I was trying to say. It's the people who hate an artist based on one of their songs that I find ignorant. Their music =/= the person.

Now that Aoki, Skrillex, Deadmow Five, and Gwetta have made it to the top they want to stay there. That means giving the people what they want. It's what any smart artist would do. People want shows--they want a visual experience with pomp and circumstance. These guys can all DJ...I guarantee it, but their shows are 80% visual so why put the emphasis on their DJ skills? We don't go see them for a good DJ routine. We go to clubs and raves for that.
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Completely agree. People go to those big shows for the experience and the music, and something they'll remember. I don't understand people who go to 10,000+ people shows for the artist's DJ'ing abilities. There are still a few up there in the industry who can still wow you with their technical skill, like A-Trak, but for the majority it's all about having a good time.

[Gnym]

I was actually impressed with Guetta's track selection. Carl Cox really had me moving too. Everything I heard during UMF was pretty decent. Afrojack was probably the least favorite performance I heard. It was a combination of him and then lil jon speaking every 5 seconds, very annoying. I'm not a huge fan of Skrillex but his Bangarang EP I can listen to and enjoy. His previous album, I did not like at all lol.

[dope]

im pretty sure dubstep isnt as technical and creative to mix as say, house,

Well, depends if you're talking about brostep or "real" dubstep. I don't know about "real" dubstep, but I wouldn't say brostep is easy to mix.
Ok, it's all 140, no need to even beatmatch, but still, it's so intense and full of instruments, that it's hard to make it not sound messy, and to me it requieres therefore some preparation work. On the other hand, house or techno, and genres about subtleness are pretty much straight forward, and don't need any prep work. Still, making an exceptional house set is as hard as any other genre, but basic mixing is way easier since the tracks are already soft and smooth.

Next on the agenda is, David guetta is a sell-out, ill ask you this question, if i offered you the man's fame and money, to work with some of the best in the industry, make your music sound a bit more popier and catchy, and top40esque? and to be a 'sellout' and play to thousands upon thousands of people and be set up for life in luxury, would you do it? of course you would.

Of course, money is tempting. But why do I hate this guy ? Because by mixing like a coconut, or even playing a pre recorded set, he's insulting all of us who are working hard to pull awesome mixes. I would say that 80% of people here are technically way above him, and more important, don't pretend to mix.
Still, he's racking like what, 20 grands a gig ? Some DJs are spinning very well, are producing quality tunes (or at least not pop shit), and are still famous/rich/whatever. (ie, Roger Sanchez, Carl Cox..)

The perfect example to illustrate that is a show I saw when I was studying in the US.
DG and Kelly Rowland were invited to a show. The music started, the singer was singing, and behind her, the world's best DJ *MEGA COUGH* was moving, and touching knobs and decks but wasn't doing anything. The normal radio version tune was playing the background.
I mean, this is such a disrespect to the the fans/other EDM artists that I insult him nice and loud if I see him in the streets of Paris. Really. I never behave like that, I'm not that kind of guy, but I think I'd be wrong to let him walk like a boss when deep inside he's empty and shameless.

Seems to me that these days that a lot of young producers/DJ's expect big success overnight and to be booked to play everywhere after only having 1 or 2 single releases, this is complete craziness!! Work your asses off and yeah things will more than likely go well and start to happen for you, but don't get completely dillusional along the way. I try and help/guide as many newcomers as i can whether it's helping them with their production or giving them a push on the show, but it annoys me when i occasionally speak to young guys that expect everything to happen REALLY fast.

Agree partially on that. Learning to make good music is a loooong process, but becoming famous can be instant, with very few tracks.

Madeon, 1 pop culture video, few tracks, instant world tour with super famous DJs.
Porter Robinson, releases "say my name", with few other tracks that are not as good (and I doubt he ever played his pre-say my name tracks at a gig), top 1 on beatport for 3 weeks, instant worldwide tour with super famous DJs.

I don't say that these guys aren't talented, but just pointing how fast they acquiered they status.
Celebrity these days can be aquiered in few hours...

[C.Lukas1]

It's a shame the amount of hate that results from EDM.

IMO you either love it, or you don't. Sure not every DJ, producer, genre will be your cup of tea, but they are still part of EDM as a whole.

I couldn't believe some of the negative comments while watching the UMFTV feed. People were ripping on Carl Cox and his Friday night underground set. The man is a LEGEND. His set was DOPE and the crowd was loving it.

I will give Guetta credit though and I'm rather critical of him, but the man is talented. His UMF set was really good. I just do not like his involvement in the "pop" scene. He turned me off a few years ago when I saw him live in Copenhagen. He did a few songs w/ Kelly Rowland for a kiddie concert for their version of MTV (The Voice). His 20 min set was all staged and prerecorded. It was nice to see him rock it out in Miami.

[DarioJ]

I too have been thinking about points that have been made in this thread. Even more so about the way that this ever growing, and now booming, form of art that we love and call DJ'ing is being over run by its own evolutionary success. The understandable, but yet testy/arrogant temperament of some veteran DJ's on this forum is something that I think also shows the lack luster or "hate" of what the community is all about... Music. Music and the way an INDIVIDUAL person feels when the magical frequencies hit their ears.

I think that even something as small as the infinite debates of sync vs. manual beatmatching or the big DJ's "being real" vs doing something new, suck the life and fun out of the DJ'ing (and maybe even the music) community. These endless debates just perpetuate an industrialization of thinking that DJ'ing and music can ONLY be done this way! That in turn dulls creativity that could evolve music even more. Its funny how music itself has changed, evolved (whether you like the sound of it or not), so dramatically, but yet the way some ppl think about it is so standardized.

IMO- a lot of the things that make music great or bring music down as a whole (DJ'ing, producing, listening, etc) comes down to a very personal and individual experience. In the end it is up to each individual to make the most of how they enjoy music.