Virtual F1 --> Opening up the Remix Decks

[lethal_pizzle]

Having said that, someone reverse engineered the X1 I believe, so it should all be possible

[Archies'bald]

You could also put it in the modding forum, where the modders could see it.

[StephanV]

Having said that, someone reverse engineered the X1 I believe, so it should all be possible

Really? Where'd you read that? Can't find anything about it, and considering the MIDI compatibility of the X1 I don't really see the use of reverse engineering it in the first place tbh..

Would be a great point to start though!

[tombruton69]

Really? Where'd you read that? Can't find anything about it, and considering the MIDI compatibility of the X1 I don't really see the use of reverse engineering it in the first place tbh..

Would be a great point to start though!

as I said b4 all that is needed is a driver that sends the same hid messages as the f1, obv a differnt driver would need to be written for each device. 200 quid for the f1 is a bit steep in my opinion

[lethal_pizzle]

Errr... I read it on here somewhere. Somewhere.

[zestoi]

It's a good idea, it would actually be easier to write a driver that just pretends to be an f1 and outputs the same hid commands. you just need sum1 to write it for you and buy them an f1. I dont know a single person who writes drivers who is ever out of work tho, so by the time they wrote it in there spare time NI would of probs opened up the extra controls

agreed - this is more the issue than just translating between hid and midi - the fact that someone would need to write a driver that pretends to be an F1 sufficiently well to fool traktor...

have you guys heard of midimasher? if zestoi gets the hid messages he should be able to make it work with his app as it uses both midi and HID, if he doesn't chime in send him a p.m.

indeed. in midimasher a hid device is defined in similar manor to a midi device - just that you're defining hidpackets with offsets+bitmasks instead of midi messages of type cc/note/pc/pb etc

they all get converted to event names - pretty similar to how vdj does it. then piping these event names from a hid device to a midi device is as simple as from midi to midi etc.

fyi hid support is going into mixxx 1.11 not that it helps in any way here

Ever heard of a HID to midi converter? Ever seen any one of the thousands of videos of people using Wiimotes, x box controllers, joysticks, or really anything that isn't a midi controller, to control software?
this is going to be a fairly easy project. NI could have done it in a couple of hours if they weren't greedy and wanting to sell more F1's

that's going the easy way tho - from a hid input to a virtual midi port and thru to the midi device/app. you'd still need a virtual F1 hid device driver since traktor needs to that talk to.

reading from and writing to a hid device is simple once you've mapped out the hid packets and any pre-amble handshaking that the device needs. i don't have any NI controller so don't know much about their hid format(s).

[tombruton69]

its funny you should mention mixxx, id really love to help out on that project I just dont have enough time

[zestoi]

its funny you should mention mixxx, id really love to help out on that project I just dont have enough time

same here really - but u can always find time for things that u really want to i've often thought about getting involved but stuck with traktor after buying it. there's just *sooo* much potential with mixxx tho, esp if you're handy with C++ for the engine or javascript for the mappings

for now i'm just spending the time i would have been coding midimasher for mixxx work. bit of a shame as the new mini language for midimasher was almost done - but seems i was just in time to get up to speed and at least help out a bit with 1.11 of mixxx. i'll hopefully be working on some traktor style modifier type functionality as well as midi stuff and general mapping enhancements for 1.12. with the new waveforms and recentish quantize + looping functionality it's really not bad will even have builtin key detection soon (for those that care about that kind of thing)

[padi_04]

merged

[Deksel]

In this thread another approach is mentioned: mimicking mouse movements in Lemur. Not perfect, but a creative workaround...
http://forum.djtechtools.com/showthread.php?t=49309