Random production tip.

**RockingClub** · 07-23-2012, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by AllDay

Hmmm.. You should be making your synths yourself.. not adjusting someone elses.

Well, that's the next goal to achieve, but dipping to much into sound design while trying to build a musical idea playing in your head often might destroy the first impulse the musical idea gave you. So in my opinion it's better to start with a preset sound giving you a rough idea what it is meant to sound like later on and then making your individual adjustments (including also major changes like swapping out some oscs, ASDR-adjustments, changing effects, adjusting the filter...) . I know several succesful producers doing that either. Nevertheless, I am not the one buying more and more synth presets or rebuilding every preset being shown on youtube. I just take the factory selection.
On the other hand, it can be quite inspiring to take a day only for general sound design without having a specific track in your mind. Often you come up with great results.

**Tommi Bass** · 07-23-2012, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by ksandvik

... and Komplete 8 upgrade just arrived to my studio... Anyway,

Do a song in two hours. If not ready, delete the project. EDM is not complicated.

Mate you are taliking out your arse.

Never heard such a stupid statement in all my years of producing.....

I work for labels ........... Professional Mastering Engineer. Also I'm on VIP promo lists cus I'm a Pro DJ..... and been producing since 1992!

Every week I listen to and review the cream of underground Deep House, Minimal Techno.......... these all where all not created in two hours ..... otherwise they would sound shit and whack and would not be released!

EDM.......... thats a label for shit music. Not Art!

**RockingClub** · 07-23-2012, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Tommi Bass

Mate you are taliking out your arse.

Never heard such a stupid statement in all my years of producing.....
Every week I listen to and review the cream of underground Deep House, Minimal Techno.......... these all where all not created in two hours ..... otherwise they would sound shit and whack and would not be released!

Thank you!

I've heard this "a song has to be produced in 2 hours" too often.

**3heads** · 07-24-2012, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by RockingClub

I'm mostly in progressive-house where you don't want to here every element over and over again

Oh, the irony, the irony....

**RockingClub** · 07-24-2012, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by 3heads

Oh, the irony, the irony....

Irony? Maybe it wasn't clear enough what I mean. Well, in lots of genres like e.g. electro/ house-electro or minimal house music the song is strongly pattern based and you often have parts where the same 8bar pattern is repeated over 64 or maybe even 128bars with maximally slightly variation. The type of progressive-house music I am aiming at (more the mainstream type of progressive-house music, let's take Axwell's "In my mind" or Dirty South & Thomas Gold's "Eyes wide open") is pattern based as well but there is lot more variation giving you the feeling of a continous journey you're taking part in while listening the track. If you're listening carefully you probably won't find two identical 32bars-parts in the song (excluding mix-in and -out, for sure)

**ksandvik** · 07-24-2012, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Tommi Bass

Mate you are taliking out your arse.

Never heard such a stupid statement in all my years of producing.....

I work for labels ........... Professional Mastering Engineer. Also I'm on VIP promo lists cus I'm a Pro DJ..... and been producing since 1992!

Every week I listen to and review the cream of underground Deep House, Minimal Techno.......... these all where all not created in two hours ..... otherwise they would sound shit and whack and would not be released!

EDM.......... thats a label for shit music. Not Art!

I have a hard time understanding why composing EDM music takes more than two hours. It's not exactly Zappa music. Production/mixing/mastering is another story. Anyway, a drum pattern with some variations, a strong bass, do you need hours to write that? Hmm.... I have to remember the last time I spent hours writing an EDM track in my studio... Hmm, no don't remember such a case.

PS: I would agree if EDM would have the same kind of structure like pop songs with bridges, intros, chorus modulations, transpositions, tempo changes, cluster chords....

**RockingClub** · 07-24-2012, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by ksandvik

PS: I would agree if EDM would have the same kind of structure like pop songs with bridges, intros, chorus modulations, transpositions, tempo changes, cluster chords....

Well, to be honest it depends on you how you want to structure your EDM track. There is no rule against anything. To a variable extent EDM tracks can of course include the elements you mentionned.

**ksandvik** · 07-24-2012, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by RockingClub

Well, to be honest it depends on you how you want to structure your EDM track. There is no rule against anything. To a variable extent EDM tracks can of course include the elements you mentionned.

I wish one could make more intelligent-pop centric EDM and actually Indie Dance is going into that direction which is good. As for Electro and similar things, there's really little you could operate outside the normal patterns just now. Electro had a good run but it's cliche stuff today.

Anyway, going back to the hint, if an EDM producer is sweating days for just composing a track, something is wrong and just hit the delete and start over -- not worth wasting time on turds.