copyright every msec of a song?!

[BentoSan]

what if you overlayed 72,000 12 second clips over one another then ?

That's if that 10 second thing is true which I'm not sure about - if he never succeeded that still doesn't mean the system works well.

[compact]

Unfortunately he was turned down: Only Samples longer than 10 seconds need to be registered.
Still, GEMA in .de is ridiculous; they even want to charge you for non-commercial PodCasts etc...

could someone confirm this...10s is quite long ... so no poducer using samples shorter than that does have to clear them for his song.

p.s. gema in germany is damn stupid...it´s a shame that people like that have the power to make the rules how today´s music should be produced.

thanks.

[compact]

so what about taking this a little further and sampling a proper portion of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E

maybe just loop 33 sec´s of this song and send it to the gema...to reduce them to absurdity..!

[Karlos Santos]

Already done and already settled out of court. Funny that this was the subject of a TV program in UK just last week.

Taken from WiKi.

In July 2002, composer Mike Batt had charges of plagiarism filed against him by the estate of John Cage after crediting his track "A Minute's Silence" as being written by "Batt/Cage". Batt initially vowed to fight the suit, even going so far as to claim that his piece is "a much better silent piece. I have been able to say in one minute what Cage could only say in four minutes and thirty-three seconds." Batt told The Independent that "My silence is original silence, not a quotation from his silence." Batt eventually settled out of court for an undisclosed six figure sum in September 2002

Now that IS fucking bonkers. You cant sample nothing !!! I suppose it just down to Mike Batt crediting John Cage which is the only reason people may have been interested in the piece in the first place and therefore probably right that Cage got his cut.

Seems like theres something wrong with artists getting what they deserve when they write something and someone uses it these days.

Id be fucking crazy if i wrote a piece of music and then someone else nicked a bit and started making money.

Seems ok to make money from samples but not from composing.

Sorry , but again its another wank hippy concept.

[compact]

thanks for the info..didn´t know about that.

so the next step is to sue producers for sampling silence...

[Karlos Santos]

Yeah , i guess everybody will end up suing everyone else for just about anything.

[compact]

on the other hand i havent used a sample since 2-3 years..so fuck them

[BentoSan]

Id be fucking crazy if i wrote a piece of music and then someone else nicked a bit and started making money.

I wouldnt, as long as they arnt stealing the entier song and its a legitimaly a new peice of artwork. Without the reapropriation of material drum and bass wouldnt exist and what would the world be without dnb ? pretty damn sad thats what !

[Lambox]

thanks for the info..didn´t know about that.

so the next step is to sue producers for sampling silence...

Haha I was just thinking the same thing.

I still don't understand how you could possibly cram that many samples into 33 seconds without it sounding like static? In which case, maybe I'll copyright static. Take that, poor reception. Lol.

I'm surprised people don't get sued more often for using similar sounding synths n stuff. Or even similar beats...

[Karlos Santos]

Bentosan: Yeah im not against sampling or anything. That would be stupid , half the music ive ever listened to wouldnt exist . Im just not down with this Free for all attitude that i sometimes hear.
Peoples work is not the property of just anybodys. You have to give credit to the artist.

The point of the bit that you quoted is that if an artist is not recieving royalties from a tune but someone samples it (and it is the main hook of the song) and is making money then some money should go back to the original artist. The new version would not exist if it wasnt for the original and it is moral wrong if the artist isnt compensated.