APC40 / PUSH / Maschine ? Which should I buy and why for Ableton?

[botstein]

Read the following and Abletons site. They were promoting the free upgrade building up to its release?

http://www.dawsons.co.uk/blog/ableton-live-9

No, that was a promotion if you bought a new license leading up to the release.

[Ryan Ruel]

No, that was a promotion if you bought a new license leading up to the release.

Correct. You had to be in specified purchase window to receive the free upgrade promotion.

My PUSH is coming today. Woohoo! I also have the Maschine MK2. I don't know if I'll need both. If you don't already have Ableton, you do get a lot of content a Massive with your Maschine purchase. There's value to that, for sure.

So why the push? I don't have an ableton controller. Maschine's remote scripts are "ok", but I really fell in love with Maschines software integration. I hope push will do that for me with Live.

[m3ta]

There's actually not too much overlap between the Maschine and Push despite the superficial similarities. Maschine does make for an excellent Live controller:


Push doesn't rival Maschine at all when it comes to having full mouseless control over the software from the hardware controller, as Maschine is the only one of the two that has that ability.

Push is really lacking if you care about sampling/editing/chopping functions and having a mouseless workflow as only a very narrow set of Live's features can be controlled out of the box without the help of programming it in python or Max4Live. It will still require you to use the mouse/trackpad for a lot of things. Some examples of things Push cannot do compared to Maschine:

* sample into pads from the hardware

* browse and load audio samples or pattern clips from the hardware

* slice samples from the hardware

* automapping of plugins (Push requires setup beforehand)

* the ability to be mouseless (and even computer screen-less) for pretty much every control of its software

* preview/pre-hear samples in browser from the hardware before loading them

* show things like waveforms on its display since it's only text-based, not graphical.

* add/remove slices from the hardware

* step sequence regular midi tracks from the hardware

* browse and load audio/clips from the hardware

* duplicate drum rack pads from the hardware

* edit start/end points for unwarped audio clips

* access drum rack's sends and mixer

* make multiple selection of notes from the hardware

* automap to plugins without having to save them in a different format first

* step automation (aka step parameter locks/p-locks)

* open/close plugin GUI from the hardware

* open a project or even start a new project from the hardware
* make custom names to show up in the hardware's displays when used as a midi controller

* Push is rather useless as a general MIDI controller since it has no editor, you can't change notes, and you can't have MIDI mapping templates

* and obviously, Push doesn't have the Komplete integration like Maschine where all presets can be browsed and loaded from the hardware.
...etc.

Push is also quite buggy and feels unfinished from what I'm hearing and there are many complaints already about the quality control issues like the RGB pads not showing the same colors when they're supposed to.

[starr974]

Push is also quite buggy and feels unfinished from what I'm hearing and there are many complaints already about the quality control issues like the RGB pads not showing the same colors when they're supposed to.

Can we play melodie "in key" mode on the Maschine like the push?
Push have 64 pads, for play bassline, or lead, it's very good. On maschine , if it's possible, he have just 16 pads...

i have to choice 1 hardware (i have Kontrol S2 but i want add somes improvisations to my set)
i dont know what to choose...

[starr974]

Can we play melodie "in key" mode on the Maschine like the push?
Push have 64 pads, for play bassline, or lead, it's very good. On maschine , if it's possible, he have just 16 pads...

i have to choice 1 hardware (i have Kontrol S2 but i want add somes improvisations to my set)
i dont know what to choose...

And i have Komplete 9 Ultimate: what is the best midi controller for that?

[Stewe]

To OT - check out Livid BASE too, it's awesome controller. Comes with nice Ableton templates, search the youtube.

[pokerdawg]

I know it's an old thread but here are my 2 cents.

I have the APC40, Maschine, and Push.

I LOVE THE ABLETON PUSH!!!

If I had to choose 1 it would be the Push. I don't think it's well known for live performance just yet but I'm sure there will be lots of vids of it in live action before the end of the year.

I'm don't care that Push is not mouseless when it comes to sampling and chopping. I think chopping with a mouse using warp markers is faster than sampling in Maschine.

I got my APC40 used for $130. I'd rather use that in a live environment and beat the hell out of it. I think the Push is way overpriced and hope it goes down to something reasonable in a couple of years.

[botstein]

I know it's an old thread but here are my 2 cents.

I have the APC40, Maschine, and Push.

I LOVE THE ABLETON PUSH!!!

If I had to choose 1 it would be the Push. I don't think it's well known for live performance just yet but I'm sure there will be lots of vids of it in live action before the end of the year.

I would be really impressed if I saw lots of videos (other than my own - I'm not going to be impressed with myself) of any of these live before the end of the year.

I'm don't care that Push is not mouseless when it comes to sampling and chopping. I think chopping with a mouse using warp markers is faster than sampling in Maschine.

Maybe it's an experience thing, or you haven't used many of Maschine's slicing capabilities (detect, add/remove, sensitivity). ¯\(°_o)/¯ I'm dubious - I haven't found this to be the case.

[evolakim]

I own all 3. I defintely use PUSH the most

[Patch]

For me:

APC: Performance Controller
Maschine: Beat maker (although it can do a LOT more!)
Push: Full Ableton live Interface/Production BEAST!

Of course, you COULD use any of the devices to do anything you want - but PUSH will do things the other 2 can't.