dubfire mixing technique

[DirtyNerd]

dubfire puts me to sleep... hawtin maybe even worse anymore... want good techno? clr. droid behavior. and the likes of that sound...

+1 to droid behavior and CLR!

[Hermes]

I can see where you're coming from and I thought the same thing before I saw a lot of other better techno DJs and producers putting forward much more fresh and interesting sounds.

Same goes for Adam Beyer and most of the people pushing that polished boring Drumcode sound.

I mean I guess it's all good in comparison to cheesy 'big room' festival type music but compared to lots of other techno it puts me to sleep.

I really love the Drumcode sound. Beyer, Fitzpatrick and Capriati are heroes. So which DJs have more interesting sounds in your opinion?

[Xonetacular]

I really love the Drumcode sound. Beyer, Fitzpatrick and Capriati are heroes. So which DJs have more interesting sounds in your opinion?

I mean to me what makes techno special is that it's cutting edge, futuristic, experimental, and pushing boundaries. Stuff that often makes you wonder where those sounds came from and has sounds and textures you've never heard before, and isn't necessarily always perfectly clean and shiny. The newer Drumcode sound and the likes of what those people put out has little to none of that- it has no edges and is perfectly smooth and uses all the same sounds and seems to follow a formula that plays it very safe.

It's successful in that it's groovey and well engineered but most of it doesn't really inspire me. I don't think I've listened to anything from any of those guys lately that has made me stop and wonder how they did something. There's the occasional good drumcode release but that's what i think of the majority of it. Some of the Drumcode artists don't even produce their own tracks.

So which DJs have more interesting sounds in your opinion?

People like Mike Parker, Terrence Fixmer, Drumcell, Rod, Perc, Developer, Silent Servant, Xhin, Audio Injection/Truncate, Lucy, Shifted, Dustin Zahn, Raiz, Static Sense, etc.. Plus there are tons of other more underground people all pushing similar interesting sounds.

[Hermes]

Some of the Drumcode artists don't even produce their own tracks.

That's a bold statement. Got any names, tracks or, most importantly, evidence?

People like Mike Parker, Terrence Fixmer, Drumcell, Rod, Perc, Developer, Silent Servant, Xhin, Audio Injection/Truncate, Lucy, Shifted, Dustin Zahn, Raiz, Static Sense, etc.. Plus there are tons of other more underground people all pushing similar interesting sounds.

Looking at these artists, it's understandable that you don't like Drumcode. Beatport should make up new genres to divide these different kinds of techno

[Fmshred]

I saw dubfire live yesterday. And his 2 hour set was great. Not any track that was bad

[LanceBlaise]

That's a bold statement. Got any names, tracks or, most importantly, evidence?

There is nothing at all bold about his statement. There is plenty of evidence of these guys not making their own tracks as well as a very good handful of other artists in the industry...

Looking at these artists, it's understandable that you don't like Drumcode. Beatport should make up new genres to divide these different kinds of techno

No they shouldn't, beatport should just focus more on placing proper techno into the techno genre. For instance that terrible track by Tale of Us that is in beatport top 10 techno has no business being in there... its just pure garbage along with half the other crap clogging up the techno genre.

The major problem that is causing all of this terrible "techno" to be surging through the systems is the lack of talent, or the abunance of no talent artists. Artists without the know how to create good techno tracks, and kids just getting shitty loop packs and thinking they are now producers and releasing junk. There is a true art in knowing how to work hardware as well as how to work a VST and make good sounds and put them together properly. I personally feel the true sound of techno is coming back around again to where it originated from. Proper analog sounds are resurfacing and this is what many of us artists have been pushing for quite some time. To the people who are younger these sounds are a new sound, but in reality is the sound that this genre and most electronic music was built on...

[MYE]

I'm really loving this sort of minimal/techno at the moment. Gaiser is really original.

[Hermes]

There is nothing at all bold about his statement. There is plenty of evidence of these guys not making their own tracks as well as a very good handful of other artists in the industry...

If there is so much evidence, why don't you show it to us.

No they shouldn't, beatport should just focus more on placing proper techno into the techno genre. For instance that terrible track by Tale of Us that is in beatport top 10 techno has no business being in there... its just pure garbage along with half the other crap clogging up the techno genre.

The major problem that is causing all of this terrible "techno" to be surging through the systems is the lack of talent, or the abunance of no talent artists. Artists without the know how to create good techno tracks, and kids just getting shitty loop packs and thinking they are now producers and releasing junk. There is a true art in knowing how to work hardware as well as how to work a VST and make good sounds and put them together properly. I personally feel the true sound of techno is coming back around again to where it originated from. Proper analog sounds are resurfacing and this is what many of us artists have been pushing for quite some time. To the people who are younger these sounds are a new sound, but in reality is the sound that this genre and most electronic music was built on...

The beatport thing was meant sarcasticly, hence the wink. But you're right about the Tale of Us track. It's just easier for those guys to get in the top 10 of the techno genre, than lets say Deep or Tech House. I think that's the reason. But on the other hand, who is lead by charts when it comes to music selection?

[LanceBlaise]

If there is so much evidence, why don't you show it to us.

There have been a handful of articles in the past few years exposing this... As a producer who has produced tracks for others for money I can confirm that this happens. Some people just don't know.

The beatport thing was meant sarcasticly, hence the wink. But you're right about the Tale of Us track. It's just easier for those guys to get in the top 10 of the techno genre, than lets say Deep or Tech House. I think that's the reason. But on the other hand, who is lead by charts when it comes to music selection?

Unfortunately many of the shitty DJs today are lead by the charts...

[Oleboi]

shame on all of you who say hawtin and dubfire are boring. it takes extensive knowledge of music to really appreciate their sounds. Not only is dubfire amazing, his label sci-tec puts out so much fire its ridiculous. Shaded (half of shdwplay) and carlo lio are his prized players at the moment and their sounds push the barrier of minimal music imo. the dolphins, the junkies, macronism, i think the only reason dubfires not so "hot" anymore is because hes marketing his label and trying to promote everyone rather than him. Hes only released a handful of tracks within a couple years but hes still in the tops for me. if you like gaiser youd love shaded. Shaded works with a cntrl:R like a mad scientist its intense. I was at exchange in la a while back and saw the three go at it and quite honestly it was a spaceship party it was mental. I guess i can understand why some would not enjoy a hawtin set only because his style is very abstract but to say hes not talented is a farce. hawtin's use of technology is extraterrestrial. i dont know any artist that has done something like hawtin did with contakt back in like 2009 or whatever, that takes talent. not trying to hate whatsoever everyones entitled to their opinion but id give them another chance. maybe try and give a listen to their recent sets?



dubs set at wmc was more deep which i really enjoyed