Kanye West "Blood on the leaves" uses same samples and sequence from Dj Craze Z2 set.

[Karlos Santos]

Kanye's.... he's one of the reasons it's still alive.

He is the reason the 'he' is still alive. He has nothing at all to do with hip hop being "alive". He is as Top40 as The Spice Girls.

The prick doesn't even register on my Hip Hop radar.

Jus my 2 beans

[shr3dder]

He is the reason the 'he' is still alive. He has nothing at all to do with hip hop being "alive". He is as Top40 as The Spice Girls.

The prick doesn't even register on my Hip Hop radar.

Jus my 2 beans

To be fair the latest album is pretty radio unfriendly, I can't really imagine a single on the album. Not really a Top 40 album like say Jay Z's latest one..

[dfinch805]

He is the reason the 'he' is still alive. He has nothing at all to do with hip hop being "alive". He is as Top40 as The Spice Girls.

The prick doesn't even register on my Hip Hop radar.

Jus my 2 beans

I think he meant the heavy sampling that has become so prominent in music today, not hip hop itself. And Kanye, although a narcissistic prick, definitely contributed heavily to the sampling movement that brought hip hop to its current state.

[manchild]

Craze's set was def directly sampled from that trap song, but I wanna say Swizz Beatz put out a song with that same instrumental like 10 years ago (could be wrong).........and he prob sampled that from somewhere too

[Sambo]

The TNGHT track samples a few tracks, those sampled horns are clearly sampled, for example, and the vocal hook comes from Julie McKnight's Home.

Mods need to lock this thread because it literally has no purpose or direction, it's just going to spawn a pissing competition over who knows the first sample to hit the Top 40's or the earliest recorded use of sampling (Which someone told me was the Beatles, unbelievably.)

[Rukks]

Facts.

1. Kanye straight up bought the rights to the song from TNGHT, thats why they played it at alot of their live shows but never released it.
2. Craze used to tour with Kanye, I highly doubt he would sue him, not like Kanye needs the money.

[DISaS73R]

And Kanye, although a narcissistic prick, definitely contributed heavily to the sampling movement that brought hip hop to its current state.

Precisely.

Also, Kanye being "top40" is one of the most ridiculous statements I've read on this forum. He may not be the best rapper ever (quite far away from it), but as a producer (remember The Blueprint?) and an ARTIST he's one of the most important people in the hip hop scene in the past 15ish years.

[DjLiquitATL]

I'm not going to deny Kanye's greatness and contribution to hip-hop BUT it sounds to me like forum members making these claims must not have been around hip hop in its prime. It is NOTHING like it used to be. There is nothing released today by Kanye or anyone else you can label as a "classic"...

Have we forgotten all the original producers who only had 4-track beat machines? And what about before that?... Someone needs a history lesson on hip hop. That's for sure.

[Patch]

The prick doesn't even register on my Hip Hop radar.

Church.

I'm not going to deny Kanye's greatness and contribution to hip-hop BUT it sounds to me like forum members making these claims must not have been around hip hop in its prime. It is NOTHING like it used to be. There is nothing released today by Kanye or anyone else you can label as a "classic"...

Have we forgotten all the original producers who only had 4-track beat machines? And what about before that?... Someone needs a history lesson on hip hop. That's for sure.

FUCKIN' CHUUUUUURCH!!!

[DISaS73R]

Maybe the fact that you can't call it a classic is because it's new and that's not really in the definition?

Of course we remember older producers (Premo is still my favourite), but you can't just write off everything that's been released in the last 15 years. Sure, things have changed, but this doesn't make it worse. There were a lot of talented rappers and producers 20 years ago, there are a lot of talented rappers and producers now. What's your definition of a prime anyway?