I noticed this in Traktor for beat-matching.

**soundinmotiondj** · 11-07-2013, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Stewe

The phase matter comes in handy to indicate the offset but only when your beat grids are super tight.

+1

Live drummers present a particular challenge. Even if I get a really tight grid over a 8 or 16 beat loop at the beginning of the song...the live drummer will "drift" all over during the remainder of the song. The phase meter can be a useful tool, but it can also lie to you.

**amadeus** · 11-07-2013, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by soundinmotiondj

+1

Live drummers present a particular challenge. Even if I get a really tight grid over a 8 or 16 beat loop at the beginning of the song...the live drummer will "drift" all over during the remainder of the song. The phase meter can be a useful tool, but it can also lie to you.

Yeah live dummers, especially older disco etc can present a challenge, but again you don't ned to rely on the phase meter to thell you this, just use your ears, and ride the pitch.

**soundinmotiondj** · 11-07-2013, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Nick V

So are we calling moving the pitch slider until the BPMs on the 2 decks have the same number and then pulling the phase meter to the middle, manual beat matching? Cause if you ever get in front of 2 TTs and an old school scratch mixer you're gunna be SOL. I'm not being a snob here - I love me some sync button. Just sayin...

Preparation is NEVER cheating.

Even old school, there were stickers on the records on the radius of the "1" beat...and every song had BPM recorded for the mix in (and out) point for reference. No one (who actually cared) would come into a live club set with a couple of crates of new (to them) albums and try to thrown a set together on the fly.

**Oxhorn19** · 11-07-2013, 12:13 PM

wich orange indicator do you mean exactly?

**sovvy** · 11-07-2013, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by makar1

How well can you beatmatch without looking at the screen?

Very well, I don't look at the screen, I use my ears.

**sovvy** · 11-07-2013, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by amadeus

Brilliant thread haha

So watching that and beat matching is training your ears, no.

Having the phase meter off and beatmatching is, otherwise you might as well be pressing sync.

You misunderstood my post completely

I said I just noticed that phase-meter thing seems to align in the center most times when the beat-match is correct - and therefore it's a bit of a cheat for lazy users.

**sovvy** · 11-07-2013, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Nick V

So are we calling moving the pitch slider until the BPMs on the 2 decks have the same number and then pulling the phase meter to the middle, manual beat matching? Cause if you ever get in front of 2 TTs and an old school scratch mixer you're gunna be SOL. I'm not being a snob here - I love me some sync button. Just sayin...

Another person who misunderstood the post