Phrasing techno/tool techno/minimal techno

[mostapha]

The probelm with that is that it makes it harder to talk about it, which makes it harder to teach/learn.

If we were playing a blues jam, and I signaled to you to take a 2-phrase solo, what would you do? 8 measures or 24?

[Scribbl3]

The probelm with that is that it makes it harder to talk about it, which makes it harder to teach/learn.

If we were playing a blues jam, and I signaled to you to take a 2-phrase solo, what would you do? 8 measures or 24?

8 measures, but we both know that would be weird. If you signaled me to take a 2 chorus solo, though, I would definitely do my best to not screw things up too badly for 24 measures. It's been awhile since I performed live, but normally the "signal" would just be a nod and then you were off the the races.

All we are doing is arguing on "proper" terminology. If you look at my original post, I did define what I considered to be a phrase and more than a phrase (the term I used was "phrase group"). Now I have a pretty good idea what you consider a phrase. Even though we have different ways to define things, I bet we both have similar understanding of the basic principles.

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

Terminology is what makes this debate complicated especially if you refer to a bar as a measure or if you refer to it as a group of 8 which record box does... If I had sheet music in front of me I could really define it

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

. Lines are a measure which is what I refer to as a bar however record box argues differently

[Scribbl3]

As far as I know, a "bar" and a "measure" are the same thing. I guess I don't have any experience in the terminology recordbox uses.

It's interesting that you chose Spring by Vivaldi. Baroque music (or anything pre-classical period) doesn't follow hypermeter (4 bar phrases). The phrases in this piece are 6 bars.

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

It wasn't intentional I just googled free sheet music and found quickest one to illustrate a measure I could find.... Yeah I never noticed in recordbox till other day I always considered them the same thing but based on what I've read here there is some confusion or miss information

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

This would be a dick move as a producer switching beats half way in a measure. But I was going to use this as an example by showing a step sequencer but now I'm second guessing my terminology and will have to fact check myself
As I was going to say each bank of 4 steps is 1 beat if a measure but now I'm doubting myself.... As each bank could be 4 quarter notes but 4 quarter notes is one measure which would mean a 16- step sequencer would actually be 4 measures

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

That's at 120 without q 4x4 kick... Kick is offset if ya can't tell

[deckard26354]

Love all this music theory.
Thing is, I remember studying this as a young child.
Started DJ'ing in the 90's without remembering a thing about phrasing. If i'd have mentioned it then everyone would have been 'Wha?'

To reiterate a previous post on this thread, it's a gut instinct after years of practice. For me it's a kind of Star war's 'force' that allows you to just know when to transition.

Someone posted this image previously from a Bill brewster book, think it explains it fully.

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[deflits980]

Now I'm confused again?

Is a bar the same as a meassure, which consists of 4 beats? What is called a ''phrase''?

Should I be counting 1234, 2234....4234 or should I be counting 1234, 2234...8234?

I can hear the changes happen, most of my music changes subtle after 32 beats, big changes after 64 (or a multiple of 64). This makes me think that a phrase consists of 32 beats (which equals 8 bars/meassures)?

What books would you suggest to read? Please remember that I have zero music knowledge.

Thanks,
Jordi