Phrasing techno/tool techno/minimal techno

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

I can hear the changes happen, most of my music changes subtle after 32 beats, big changes after 64 (or a multiple of 64). This makes me think that a phrase consists of 32 beats (which equals 8 bars/

You answered your question here.. 32 is subtle and 64 big so on last phrase of track before outro make it so last 64 and first 64 before next track comes in line up should be pretty steady

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

Last 64 of intro to last 64 before outro... Or you can mix first 64 of outro to last 64 of intro... This is where you need to make the Dj choice on what will fit best.... When I dump trancey/proggy breaks into a trance set I shoot to have the breaky track come in with bassline going as last 64 of track ends.... A good indication of you got it right is on SDJ when the needle marks and lined up and spinning at same time you are in right part of phrase.... A good practice technique is to run 32 bar loops so hot 16 then x2 and you'll have 32 you can do this on an intro of a track and then advance it set cue mark at end of the second 32 bar loop and if ya get a track that doesn't follow right loop that 32 then drop the loop and hit the cue when needed..... Most ally tracks I setup my cues based on 64

[deflits980]

I'm spinning vinyl records, no serato/traktor/ableton/whatever

Guess I have to learn my intro's/outro's and go with that!

Thanks a lot for your input guys!

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

Well then just needle drop to find it intros vary some are 64 some are 128 I think this comes down to know your record then... Pick 10 records and learn them memorize them and then do that for your collections... My guess if asking this sort of question your vinyl collection likely isn't that large yet.... Unless you've purchased a lot of them or something in that case just go through 10 at a time and familiarize yourself with them.... Welcome to the wonderful world of vinyl djing.... Start by mixing intro and outro until you learn the lengths then can advanced to where they are perfectly phrased if you want to where they are a continual perfect mix with no Intro outro gap

[deflits980]

Used to have more records but recently sold a whole lot and bought these:

http://www.discogs.com/user/jordi.veen/collection

6 records, should be do-able

Oh and vinyl is great!!! Sound is nice and warm to!

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

Nice I've recently been wondering If I should rebuild my vinyl collection and just go back it was such a pure form of djing that sometimes I feel gets forgotten when you have a laptop or a screen informer of ya.... There's something to be said about just a pair of turntables and a 2 channel mixer

[Scribbl3]

Now I'm confused again?

Is a bar the same as a meassure, which consists of 4 beats? What is called a ''phrase''?

Should I be counting 1234, 2234....4234 or should I be counting 1234, 2234...8234?

I can hear the changes happen, most of my music changes subtle after 32 beats, big changes after 64 (or a multiple of 64). This makes me think that a phrase consists of 32 beats (which equals 8 bars/meassures)?

What books would you suggest to read? Please remember that I have zero music knowledge.

Thanks,
Jordi

A bar is the same as a measure. In most of the music you are going to play as a DJ, it will consist of 4 beats.

Count in whatever way you find comfortable. I count in groups of 4. That way I can say "well that is 2 groups of 4" or "the chorus is 4 groups of 4." A lot of this is finding what is good for you and going with it.

As for the word "phrase"...

This is from Wikipedia:

In common practice phrases are often four bars or measures long[11] culminating in a more or less definite cadence.[12] A phrase will end with a weaker or stronger cadence, depending on whether it is an antecedent phrase or a consequent phrase, the first or second half of a period.

(btw don't worry about that second sentence, it took me about 3 read throughs to understand it too)

Basically, a phrase is a musical sentence that usually lasts 4 measures long, but can be more or less. Groups of phrases make up the various parts of music that we have (your intro, outro, refrain, chorus, etc).

The article can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase_(music)

As far as musical theory books, head over to the public library and check out what they have.

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

I learned all my music theory at a young age I started playing cello when I was 5 and continued playing for 5 years and then switched to bass for another 6 years before stopping.... So it was all young age the terminology in my head is not all there but in my ears the important stuff lays... Thad why I kinda backed off on advise using terms because what I'm calling something may be wrong...


Also furthermore because I started by reading sheet music the understanding of measures is there and the timing comes from playing higher level orchestra where you are required to play without sheet music in front of you... Timing also comes from the requirement that everyone's bows be in sync with each other's.... You will notice when watching a orchestra the bows for each instrument group playing their specific part are almost always in sync with each other

[ImNoDJ]

Nice I've recently been wondering If I should rebuild my vinyl collection and just go back it was such a pure form of djing that sometimes I feel gets forgotten when you have a laptop or a screen informer of ya.... There's something to be said about just a pair of turntables and a 2 channel mixer

DVS my friend, DVS.

This was exactly my philosophy in going to DVS. I wanted the entire vinyl experience, but didnt want to have to buy an individual record for every song.

My computer screen is way off to the side, and mostly set to browser mode. I look at it to select tracks with my X1, and after that I dont look at it again until its time to select the next record. Sync disabled, no snap or quantise enabled. My entire focus is on my mixer and the TTs.

Its bloody wonderful.

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

Nope don't want DVS not the same