Get some real equipment??

[charo]

nowhere i have i talked at all about the crowd or the reactions of the crowd.

you're wrong that the crowd has ANYTHING to do with what i'm trying to talk about....club owners (people from my experience, who have little time or inclination to watch youtube for djs) ie business people.

here is the more realistic a/b if you want to take it there:

dj A, C, D, E, F, G and H are spinning cds on the house mixer and house cd-js, which the owner has invested in for their stability and reliability.
dj B is spinning on midi controllers connected via usb to a laptop with external soundcard<--a setup the club has no control over its stability

if you want to bring the crowd into it, they don't care as long as it works, laptops fry, programs freeze, go wild on youtube with all those pros with dvs systems or midi setups that malfunctioned in a live setting...

if we are just shooting the breeze like in theory then it doesn't matter if you care what other people are using. but if you are trying to get into this game, i would take a very good look around, and reread my posts above.

i don't know what the xone stuff is about, i don't have one, not a gear snob...not anti-digital dj

[charo]

and please don't respond that cdjs fail so my point isn't valid...you'd still be missing the point that if that failure occurred it would be on the club, not the equipment you bring to the club.

so i hope you can see i'm not singling out midi controller users, even dvs users are still bringing laptops and soundcards even if the club provides mixer and tables, it's a shift from the idea that the dj brings the media, the club provides the playback equipment. it also shifts responsibility.

[cutflow]

nowhere i have i talked at all about the crowd or the reactions of the crowd.

you're wrong that the crowd has ANYTHING to do with what i'm trying to talk about....club owners (people from my experience, who have little time or inclination to watch youtube for djs) ie business people.

here is the more realistic a/b if you want to take it there:

dj A, C, D, E, F, G and H are spinning cds on the house mixer and house cd-js, which the owner has invested in for their stability and reliability.
dj B is spinning on midi controllers connected via usb to a laptop with external soundcard<--a setup the club has no control over its stability

if you want to bring the crowd into it, they don't care as long as it works, laptops fry, programs freeze, go wild on youtube with all those pros with dvs systems or midi setups that malfunctioned in a live setting...

if we are just shooting the breeze like in theory then it doesn't matter if you care what other people are using. but if you are trying to get into this game, i would take a very good look around, and reread my posts above.

i don't know what the xone stuff is about, i don't have one, not a gear snob...not anti-digital dj

you defeat the purpose of being on this website. this is a midi controller community. also to add on your right on your a/b outline or project w/e. but thats where you come from. in here in ny, they require to listen/watch a demo before you spin at their club. now i also know that if whoever is watching that demo then contacts the dj whom he wants him to spin this friday or w/e at his club then they start talking about requirements. and this is where the high end professional dj's some sort of design/layout or discuss over the phone what the dj requires the club to have in order for him to even be interested in spinning in that club, excluding the sincerity of how big or popular the club is. I think you misunderstood, i'm not going to start practicing and work my way to a shitty level of dj's who can spin 5 genres in one set, hip-hop, top44, some 2-dub step (w/e you call it) then some progressive house, all in 1-3hrs. I'm not that type. I'm aimming to exceed to perfection and hopefully in 8-10yrs i will be there. I'm aimming to go to the level where the dj's name/handle does not include the two letter "DJ" in his name. like Carl Cox, hes name isnt DJ carl cox. thats the level i'm aimming to go to. the level in which the club owner would die to have for that one day this weekend. where the club owner will be the one arranging the equipment based on a certain requirement. to a point where its the club owner who follows rather than leading. and to add on, one day midicontroller will eventually replace cd's in the future. maybe 2020 or 2050. but we'll see buddy. you should read this website's about-me, in that tab, ean goldan actually explains his mission statement. you'll read the path hes taken and understand the meaning of his product and how they will affect the future, which will be bound to happen one day. but hes one of the fews who just started ahead of the others.

[mmauve]

Debates like this perfectly depict why MIDI is not widely accepted quite yet. Frankly, why would this be an issue?, it's the DJ's job to be flexible and apply their skill set across varying settings regardless of medium. If you are allowed to use your controller, cool, and if not - roll with it and rock the venue, it's the name of the game.

In similar circumstances I've come across, I personally could care less. I also got a booklet of CD's which are current, organized, and ready to use without the aid of my laptop or controller. At the end of the day, it's maintaining creativity while keeping it within a business mind set

Although no offense meant at all to anyone on the forums (I really mean that), but I find the people who more often than not have a problem with them not being able to use their controller at a venue typically rely all too much on the program to do their job for them. It's a great medium, I myself love it, but it shouldn't be pivotal/critical/necessary in being able to get the job done, unless theres some crazy Rafik/Hawtin/Dubfire shit going on in your set which demands it (to be honest, that's practically nobody I've come across in most of these cases, they're usually the ol' cue/pause/play style users).

But again, I think at the very least a club owner should justify their position on their suggestion to a DJ with regards to why their medium causes conflicts to the clubs platform. As charo mentioned, stability I believe is a bigger issue for most.

[cutflow]

Debates like this perfectly depict why MIDI is not widely accepted quite yet. Frankly, why would this be an issue?, it's the DJ's job to be flexible and apply their skill set across varying settings regardless of medium. If you are allowed to use your controller, cool, and if not - roll with it and rock the venue, it's the name of the game.

In similar circumstances I've come across, I personally could care less. I also got a booklet of CD's which are current, organized, and ready to use without the aid of my laptop or controller. At the end of the day, it's maintaining creativity while keeping it within a business mind set

Although no offense meant at all to anyone on the forums (I really mean that), but I find the people who more often than not have a problem with them not being able to use their controller at a venue typically rely all too much on the program to do their job for them. It's a great medium, I myself love it, but it shouldn't be pivotal/critical/necessary in being able to get the job done, unless theres some crazy Rafik/Hawtin/Dubfire shit going on in your set which demands it (to be honest, that's practically nobody I've come across in most of these cases, they're usually the ol' cue/pause/play style users).

But again, I think at the very least a club owner should justify their position on their suggestion to a DJ with regards to why their medium causes conflicts to the clubs platform. As charo mentioned, stability I believe is a bigger issue for most.

right on and after being rejected by 80% out of the 215ish clubs that support house music for my midi then thats when i'd spend or invest in cdj/mixer. but with my lowbudget i can prob just attain the 100se by may or june and w/e else i need to get it to work. i also go to school. the dj thing will be a 2nd job but i would take it serious although not as serious as my primary job.

[mmauve]

For sure. Was there any other controller you were looking into aside from the VCI-100SE for your needs?

[charo]

you defeat the purpose of being on this website. this is a midi controller community. also to add on your right on your a/b outline or project w/e. but thats where you come from. in here in ny, they require to listen/watch a demo before you spin at their club. now i also know that if whoever is watching that demo then contacts the dj whom he wants him to spin this friday or w/e at his club then they start talking about requirements. and this is where the high end professional dj's some sort of design/layout or discuss over the phone what the dj requires the club to have in order for him to even be interested in spinning in that club, excluding the sincerity of how big or popular the club is. I think you misunderstood, i'm not going to start practicing and work my way to a shitty level of dj's who can spin 5 genres in one set, hip-hop, top44, some 2-dub step (w/e you call it) then some progressive house, all in 1-3hrs. I'm not that type. I'm aimming to exceed to perfection and hopefully in 8-10yrs i will be there. I'm aimming to go to the level where the dj's name/handle does not include the two letter "DJ" in his name. like Carl Cox, hes name isnt DJ carl cox. thats the level i'm aimming to go to. the level in which the club owner would die to have for that one day this weekend. where the club owner will be the one arranging the equipment based on a certain requirement. to a point where its the club owner who follows rather than leading. and to add on, one day midicontroller will eventually replace cd's in the future. maybe 2020 or 2050. but we'll see buddy. you should read this website's about-me, in that tab, ean goldan actually explains his mission statement. you'll read the path hes taken and understand the meaning of his product and how they will affect the future, which will be bound to happen one day. but hes one of the fews who just started ahead of the others.

you're enthusiasm for becoming a digital dj is admirable but its being overshadowed by you're oversimplification of what i'm trying to say here.

You've not even been here a month and admit you don't have experience. this is a helpful forum where people share advice and give opinions. to be quite frank, the way you are demonizing my advice defeats the purpose of me or any member giving advice here.

[cutflow]

For sure. Was there any other controller you were looking into aside from the VCI-100SE for your needs?

at first when i got my hands on the cdj 900 and 2000 i thought i found love. lol. then i noticed $1200-1600 per deck. plus extra for a mixer and who knows what else. then i remembered my $500 monthly budget that i make. so i looked else where. thought of the xone:dx newest and first midi xone made. $1200. still would delay me from getting it sooner. so i look at the vci100se for 549.00 but still finding out what else i need w/ that to get it to work on my comp. and then i realized that i will get that sooner. ;] and it controls 4 decks. so after im done practicing with 2 decks for a year or w/e or whenever i feel limited then i will play with the 3rd and 4th deck and use them for like special effects i guess. so yeah i planned my mission now to get started. i live in nyc, so 2 jobs will be good enough to make a living here since a bachelor or master degree would only get me 45-70k or more a year depending on the company.

[mmauve]

Totally, Pioneer products sort of sting on the initial investment, but they are silky smooth on the control aspect, I love them. I was considering the Xone DX but I have a big gripe with any controller or DJ deck which doesn't have touch sensitivity, I consider it a fundamental aspect of controlling a medium. I remember using a Denon CD deck a while back and oh man, it killed me not being able to control the track like I would a turntable lol.

VCI-100SE is a good start though, I'm considering getting one and MIDI assigning it to work like an EFX-1000 alongside my EKS Otus

[cutflow]

Totally, Pioneer products sort of sting on the initial investment, but they are silky smooth on the control aspect, I love them. I was considering the Xone DX but I have a big gripe with any controller or DJ deck which doesn't have touch sensitivity, I consider it a fundamental aspect of controlling a medium. I remember using a Denon CD deck a while back and oh man, it killed me not being able to control the track like I would a turntable lol.

VCI-100SE is a good start though, I'm considering getting one and MIDI assigning it to work like an EFX-1000 alongside my EKS Otus

yeah i like the otus too but it was extra money for 2 decks ;\. btw when i purchase the 100se do i need to buy anything else or does the 100se is rdy to work once received