Stanton SC System (1D+1M) DJTT Review

[tombruton69]

it is capabile of 4000 counts however it needs traktor support. hopefully in the next majour release they will add general traktor support. if we want it quicker the best bet would be to reverse engineer the control editor that comes with traktor to make it think the scs1d is a controller it recognises and modify da router so you get the 4000 counts. all the videos posted still show some drift. also they need to work on button response times. the sound card is more than capable of running a room of about 600 ppl any more i cant tell you but i couldnt see any cause for concern. however i would recomend people go for somthing like the ecler evo 4 or the korg zero 4 as they are a real mixer aswell just gives you more oppertunity to explore. I also like my mixers to feel like mixers and i just dont get that feel from the scs 1m. it is a usefull production tool. However I think we do need a group of people or an individual to put together a amazing mapping for the scs 1d

[filespnr]

Mate could you tape a detailed video of the different functions on the scs1m and 1d mappings for TP?

I'm certainly working towards doing just that. I'm still trying to learn all of the functions and corresponding physical controls myself.

I can tell you that it's very detailed, meaning anything one can think of to mix 4 decks has been built into the darouter preset and TSI. Looking at the preset in Bomes, it's honestly the most complex translator I've seen yet.

I'm just now getting accustomed to 4 deck mixing.
As the scs1d is controlling one deck manually, the scs1m mixer has controls for all of the other decks. FX, Loop, etc. The preset buttons, on the right side of the mixer, are how you scroll through the functions, and the up/down scrolls through the decks. I'm working on understanding it all. It's a lot to take in

[nem0nic]

if we want it quicker the best bet would be to reverse engineer the control editor that comes with traktor to make it think the scs1d is a controller it recognises and modify da router so you get the 4000 counts. all the videos posted still show some drift.

This is easy to say, but difficult to achieve - for a number of reasons. First, if you're talking about "emulating a device" you're talking about emulating an HID device (since with MIDI there's no need). So Stanton would need to spend thousands to have another driver written - and that driver would do something the system was never made to do (work as HID). Second, and more importantly, it would be questionably ethical to pose as another device. We've seen this approach used by other companies (like Palm) and it ends up being a cat and mouse game that costs thousands to keep up with. it also jeopardizes the relationship between the software company and the hardware manufacturer.

If you think the SCS.1 controllers need Traktor support, you need to talk to NI about implementing it.

also they need to work on button response times.

If you're having a problem with "button response times", you need to do some work on your own system. This would most likely be caused by having a very high latency/buffer set in your audio interface.

the sound card is more than capable of running a room of about 600 ppl any more i cant tell you but i couldnt see any cause for concern.

WHAT ON EARTH are you talking about here? Since when is an audio interface rated by how many people are in the room the audio is being reproduced in? Audio interfaces should be rated by frequency response and driver stability (and obviously build quality). This is just as stupid as trying to rate a MIDI controller the same way, "Yeah, that VCI-100 is capable of running a room of 600, but I wouldn't go above that").

[nem0nic]

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Mate could you tape a detailed video of the different functions on the scs1m and 1d mappings for TP?

http://www.stantondj.com/v2/preset-doc/SCS1-TPRO-V2.03/ - not a video, but complete coverage of the TP preset.

[oscarjmg]

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http://www.stantondj.com/v2/preset-doc/SCS1-TPRO-V2.03/ - not a video, but complete coverage of the TP preset.

Thanks Nemonic you´ve been such a great help, i downloaded this manuals a couple of days ago, i read them but you know some things doesnt get so clear sometimes that´s why i asked about the video..

[tombruton69]

hey when I was talking about room size i was just on about the sound output from the sound cards ability to be amplified. I fully understand that reverse engineering a NI product is a sensitive issue for you as you are a stanton employee. I would never surgest a company follow such a path. However this would be an amazing community project. I also do understand the complexity of such a project. It would be alot more involved than the reverse engineering of the vci 100 as that was just editing the firmware impressive by itself however a small task compared to reverse engineering the firmware, darouter, the driver, the controller manager and possibly traktor. This would also raise some legal issues. The process itself would not be the problem it would be the distribution of that material. I could sence a few cease and desist letters. I would love to do this however my degree and djing are hogging alot of my time. Also would need a team for such a project. I have allready emailed NI on a couple of occasions about scs 1d HID support. About button response its really in correlation to the platter an example is pressing the cue button with a rapid forward motion of the platter to create a stab. I think it is the scratch on signal that is the problem. It just not quick enough. As you work for stanton could you tell us if there has been talks with NI about support and how they are going if they are still ongoing. The CDJ 2000, 900 and 400 got support very quickly. my technics 1200 mark 2 where released 32 years we should of found a better way to manipulate a record by now. The scs 1D actually feels like a real piece of kit not like a piece of plastic ie every CDJ i have ever used. not used the 2000's yet. Would be very cool to see a cdj version of the scs 1D I think it could be a real competitor to pioneer would be cool to see that as the next industry standaRD. Unfortantly I dont think this would ever happen

[nem0nic]

I fully understand that reverse engineering a NI product is a sensitive issue for you as you are a stanton employee.

I quit being a Stanton employee about 2 weeks ago.

The CDJ 2000, 900 and 400 got support very quickly.

No they didn't. Support for those products has been poor until VERY recently.

Would be very cool to see a cdj version of the scs 1D I think it could be a real competitor to pioneer would be cool to see that as the next industry standaRD. Unfortantly I dont think this would ever happen

Physical media is dying. It's very clearly trending sharply downwards in sales. This is why you're seeing anyone making products that play physical media play up the digital features on those devices. And lots of companies are choosing to leapfrog the CD player completely and just do a media player.

Also, let me clear something up. The SCS.1 controllers are firewire devices. HID is typically a USB spec. There is NO WAY for any software company to develop an HID implementation for the SCS.1 without Stanton making major changes to (at the very least) the driver. And the only way to make it happen in a way that is sure to be easily supported by software developers is to change the SCS.1 hardware completely.

What Stanton is looking for from companies like NI is NOT HID support. It's not at all necessary. What they want is a high resolution, high speed MIDI platter message. If there was also a calibration process for MIDI devices in Traktor, all the better.

[chrisw]

This is a little off topic. But is there a way to by pass using firewire cause like i dont have an express slot. or a firewire port.

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I quit being a Stanton employee about 2 weeks ago.

Know anyone that can hook me up with the SCS.1D parts. I would like to get mine up and running for a Halloween gig.

[nem0nic]

@chrisw - No. You need firewire on your computer to use the SCS.1. Don't waste your money trying the USB to firewire adapters either - they generally don't work.

@TABS
Your only option is to call their support. If it's a part like a Vinyl or slipmat, they should be able to help you. If it's something internal, you're not going to be able to get the part. You'll need to do an RMA.