Traktor scratch certified mixer?

[tito]

To Karlos: it is no shocking and you miss one of my points, I do not think it is a fare price for that upgrade but as you are NI employee you have to defend your company, so your opinion is biased by money not my case. The statement and I want to see your true opinion not NI if you think the upgrade from TPRO to TSPRO it is a fare deal and I do not think it is so focus on the point. I never endorsed piracy and I did it as a research and never give it to another person even I am not using myself so I am not one of the reasons that the company you work for has that prices.
I paid the upgrade from le to pro because it was fare in my opinion, but this one it is not. That's the point loose it or stayed focus it depends on what your boss has to made you to tell.
To tekki : I did not know that NI can have that power to manage the agenda of this independent and great site, nobody is doing it nothing illegal just sharing knowledge

[tito]

And by the way I was not aware of the demo because it was not stated when I bought my mixer, was a nice surprise but again 339 for the scratch function and a couple of cd,s and cv it is a rip off in my opinion and not because It is stated on the site it makes me to agree. Even it is a fare deal the audio 8 plus TSPRO at 300 us dollars nut the cross grade or update for certified mixers.

[jasperjones]

To Karlos: it is no shocking and you miss one of my points, I do not think it is a fare price for that upgrade but as you are NI employee

he isn't afaik

[photojojo]

To Karlos: it is no shocking and you miss one of my points, I do not think it is a fare price for that upgrade but as you are NI employee you have to defend your company,

Your point doesn't really matter because the price is the price and you hacking it is illegal. So no matter what you say to attempt to justify it you're still wrong.

he isn't afaik

But you jasperjones are correct, at least on this point

[tito]

Come on NI fans I can not believe nobody can answer if they think it is fare the charge for that specific upgrade and about the hacking since I am not using it or having profit of it it is NOT illegal. And by the way I am not justifying anything i just did it, works and end of the story. you should looked it what can happen if you do not take care of your customers, you should listen to them and if that it is the case I can tell the company how I did it to prevent more piracy users but if your attitude is to disqualify someones opinion will start another potential customers to go dark side. I did pay for my first upgrade and even I have an audio 4 dj, I am not taking any advantage of NI just pour my opinion in a site that it is plural, inclusive.

[tekki]

To tekki : I did not know that NI can have that power to manage the agenda of this independent and great site, nobody is doing it nothing illegal just sharing knowledge

This is a little bit of short thinking, if you ask me.

NI and managing our agenda? If NI has a problem with threads like these, they are welcome to elaborate why they seem fit to have threads like these closed.

Especially with the illegal character of hacks.

This hack however is a little bit on the sides. You're having an original Traktor Pro and you're using the authentic ASIO driver, so basically I cannot see anything wrong on this one, that's the only reason this thread is still alive.

But... I will gladly shut this thread if the blatant finger pointing continues.
Especially to our address and that of Karlos.

[Karlos Santos]

To Karlos: it is no shocking and you miss one of my points, I do not think it is a fare price for that upgrade but as you are NI employee you have to defend your company, so your opinion is biased by money not my case.

I have NEVER earned a single penny from my 'volunteer' envolvement with Native Instruments.

The statement and I want to see your true opinion not NI if you think the upgrade from TPRO to TSPRO it is a fare deal and I do not think it is so focus on the point. I never endorsed piracy and I did it as a research and never give it to another person even I am not using myself so I am not one of the reasons that the company you work for has that prices.

I have stated many many times on the NI forum and on this forum that the upgrade paths should be changed and that there should be a 'modular' upgrade path so younger, student, bedroom DJs can build a DVS system part by part and that charging for the software twice (as it seems) is a bad approach.
What people seem incapable of grasping is the the DVS plugin is an expensive addition. It isnt something that NI can or even should just give to people who already own Traktor Pro.
Thats like saying "i own a Mini Cooper but now i want a Sport. Can i have the alloy wheels for free"... you have to buy the wheels and you still have your original wheels to sell on. Thats how Traktor works now.

I paid the upgrade from le to pro because it was fare in my opinion, but this one it is not. That's the point loose it or stayed focus it depends on what your boss has to made you to tell.

How can the DVS upgrade payment be unfair..?
It was developed as a different system to Traktor and should be paid for.
As i mentioned above it would be better if the DVS plugin was available to buy on its own but is isnt so the choice is either buy it or use a hack.

I did not know that NI can have that power to manage the agenda of this independent and great site, nobody is doing it nothing illegal just sharing knowledge

Thats just silly and to prove it there is along thread on this forum explaining how to get around the DVS system and use a cheap non-certified soundcard. Many many people have used the info to cheat Traktor.
NI made no attempt, that i know of to get that thread shut down. They simply changed the software to render the workaround useless.

[tito]

Ok karlos, now I see your opinion and hope someday NI change their upgrade path for the good of the company. As user I will still use TPRO and serato for dvs because are the ones I paid it for it and when NI have a more convenient solution for my specific case I will make the total switch.
To tekki: I understand your position maybe it looked like short thinking but again now it is clear and healthy for the site.
To photojojo : the things are not legal or not because someone is saying . For example you upload mixes to souncloud with music from another artists. Fare or not is completely illegal in terms of international and local copyright laws and it is in the terms of use of the site. Because it is tolerated does not make it legal and if someone point your mixes arguing that you do not have the rights, for example, for James brown songs they have to shut down your post because it is the law. I have never upload my mixes to the web because of it so better think when you disqualify someones statements or opinions.
Hope this tread will help to have a good discussion worth to NI rethink their upgrade policy and help to understand what is fare, legal, tolerated, etc.
Love this site and those heated discussions show that are people passionate, involved in what they do and definitely is good for all users.