Found a 2nd hand pair of CDJ1000mk3's for the same price as an S4

[mostapha]

Should I get one of these...



...or one of these?

You're actually completely right…there's no question. The CDJs are the right way to go.


</me being an asshole>

I'd take the CDJs, but…well…I hate the all-in-one thing, so as good as it is, there are a lot of things I'd choose over an S4.

[MaxOne]

What can the CDJs do that the S4 can't, in terms of physically djing?

[xtianw]

What can the CDJs do that the S4 can't, in terms of physically djing?

1) be repaired in your city if something happens to them.

2) compatible with every dj software on the planet, including serato

3) plays cd's

4) wont lose their resale value in 12 months

5) you can probably sell these right now for more than you are buying them for

[MrPopinjay]

What can the CDJs do that the S4 can't, in terms of physically djing?

You don't have to carry around a laptop, a fuck off huge controller and a load of cables.

It's more reliable.

More suited for beat-matching.

More suited for scratching.

Analogue loop size selection unlike the series of steps traktor features.

[xtianw]

thats right, pioneer looprolls are the best looprolls on the planet

[MaxOne]

1) be repaired in your city if something happens to them.

2) compatible with every dj software on the planet, including serato

3) plays cd's

4) wont lose their resale value in 12 months

5) you can probably sell these right now for more than you are buying them for

Yeah, it didn't answer my question... re"physical djing".

In all honesty I'm no expert on either... but i still think CDJs are just outdated.

It's like minidisc, it just got outdated... and soon CDs themselves. We are not going to be in the world of physical media for much longer...

I wouldn't fork out my hard earned cash for a soon to be outdated technology...

Especially when I can buy something that has all the same physical capabilities but can do a lot more...

[MrPopinjay]

Yeah, it didn't answer my question... re"physical djing".

In all honesty I'm no expert on either... but i still think CDJs are just outdated.

It's like minidisc, it just got outdated... and soon CDs themselves. We are not going to be in the world of physical media for much longer...

I wouldn't fork out my hard earned cash for a soon to be outdated technology...

Especially when I can buy something that has all the same physical capabilities but can do a lot more...

CDJs won't disappear any time soon. There's too much money invested in them at the moment, there's loads of interest in them and there's still too many problems with controllers.

It's nothing like minidisc. Minidics never took off while CDs are dominating the market and have done for a substantial period of time.

CDJs are just more practical and easy. People like that, not everyone wants to be fucking about with computers and having to troubleshoot their equipment ever tie they set up.

In addition how are those points not related to physically DJing?

[MaxOne]

You don't have to carry around a laptop, a fuck off huge controller and a load of cables.

It's more reliable.

More suited for beat-matching.

More suited for scratching.

Analogue loop size selection unlike the series of steps traktor features.

1) I'm not suggesting you take your S4 everywhere... learn to beat match on it and play on CDJs in a club, owning an S4 isn't going to stop that. I don't own CDJs but that's what I do sometimes... Perfectly happy using CDJs if that's what the club has. You don't need to own CDJs to be able to use them?

2) Are they really more reliable? I've heard CDJs sketch out and stutter in clubs before and it's wack! I haven't got an S4 but my VCI set up is rock solid. Plug in controller, plug in soundcard. Boom

3) Marginally, but you can beat match on an S4 so can't really accept that point wholeheartedly

4) Again, marginally because you can scratch on an S4. If scratching is important then get turntables / DVS.

5) S4 does have this loop feature.

[MaxOne]

CDJs won't disappear any time soon. There's too much money invested in them at the moment, there's loads of interest in them and there's still too many problems with controllers.

It's nothing like minidisc. Minidics never took off while CDs are dominating the market and have done for a substantial period of time.

CDJs are just more practical and easy. People like that, not everyone wants to be fucking about with computers and having to troubleshoot their equipment ever tie they set up.

In addition how are those points not related to physically DJing?

They will disappear though, no doubt about it.

Again, I never have to fuck about with my computer or trouble shoot my equipment every time i set up. it works every time.

You really think that's what it's like now with controllers? What is your set up btw? It's not in your signature...

If i don't want to take my equipment somewhere that has CDjs, i burn a few CDs and don't bother, but I never have to trouble shoot my set up when I take it.

What I have at home and what I can use by choice in a club are different. If I have an S4 i have the choice to take it and use it. If I have CDJs at home, then that's where they stay, at home.

[xtianw]

1) I'm not suggesting you take your S4 everywhere... learn to beat match on it and play on CDJs in a club, owning an S4 isn't going to stop that. I don't own CDJs but that's what I do sometimes... Perfectly happy using CDJs if that's what the club has. You don't need to own CDJs to be able to use them?

2) Are they really more reliable? I've heard CDJs sketch out and stutter in clubs before and it's wack! I haven't got an S4 but my VCI set up is rock solid. Plug in controller, plug in soundcard. Boom

3) Marginally, but you can beat match on an S4 so can't really accept that point wholeheartedly

4) Again, marginally because you can scratch on an S4. If scratching is important then get turntables / DVS.

5) S4 does have this loop feature.

Heres the thing about learning on the s4. its going to make him a terrible dj in the long run.

something with a sync button is guaranteed to create nothing but bad habits. lets say he gets an s4 as an example.

he'll use sync, from day one, on EVERY mix. i know youd like the argument to be vaild that he wont, but he will. you and i both know it.

lets say he makes a bunch of mixtapes in 6-8 months. they start to get really good, he deletes the bad ones, gets a website, shitload of friends on facebook. and he actually books himself a gig at a decnent nightclub for a first try.

he gets there with his s4 and the manager goes "nobody plugs anything into our pa. we have cdj's and turntables, play with those"

he'll pee his pants cause he wont have ANY idea how to play whatsoever. it will literally be like hes never dj'ed in his life.

also, you cant even compare loop rolls on the s4 to pioneer loop rolls with slip mode. theyre like 100x more expressive and more musical and you know it. you simply cannot in any way shape or form learn a davey dave looproll routine on anything but a pioneer.

if he learns on cdj's, he'll be able to play on ANYTHING. all the best did. hawtin, cox, sasha, digweed. every major dj badass on the planet uses or learned on tables or cdj's.