TSI Tricking...Anyone have tips!?!

[haze324]

Sweet. I just made something similar. There's an LED concern I may just have to live with.

- Created Toggle with the fx On/off button - it flashes when on (beat phase)
- When "on" all three fx buttons also flash and are presets
- when "on" the loop recorder knob controls D/W and parameters for the effects
- when "off" loop recorder works as is
- when "off" effects function as normal

I have three presets all controlled by the LR knob. With effects 1 and 2 so I can use the assign buttons as is.

Only issue I would love to fix is when I toggle super knob mode on ---- all the buttons flash. When I select a preset it would be great if that buttons stayed on, so I would know which preset then turns them off.

I could probably do this by turning off the flashing buttons.....but hey, they look cool


The other way we were doing it has much less control over and LED feedback, it's just a quick easy knob to turn that is always set and ready to fire off. I could see the benefit both ways.

[Yul]

Only issue I would love to fix is when I toggle super knob mode on ---- all the buttons flash. When I select a preset it would be great if that buttons stayed on, so I would know which preset then turns them off.

if you're talking about the 3 fx buttons, do the opposite, see that each preset is a state in itself (so you create accordingly a modifier and its behaviour so it has a value of either 0,1,2,3 respectively for non super mode state, preset 1, preset 2, preset 3).

Now you have all the elements that you need to make the leds to work (ie, the modifier that engages your super knob mode - considering it can only exist when in group mode - and the three different state.
You create something that would work like that:
1st preset: 1st button on (the native on/off led feedback), 2nd blinks, 3rd blinks
2st preset: 1st button blinks, 2nd button native, 3rd button blinks
3rd preset: 1st button blinks, 2nd button blinks, 3rd button native
To achieve that you create all potential events for each buttons if you know what I mean.


That put aside, just a 'performance' tip (I'm writing that like I have a huge experience, which is just not the case): if you do get rid in the end of the loop recorder, it means you can use the footswitch for something else: in this case having one fx unit( when using 4 units) assigned to all 4 decks (to reproduce an assignment to the master) loaded with an expression FX (delay, reverb, flanger, whatever) that you could activate instantly with your foot (like an expression pedal for guitar really) is a simple but very effective tool to have.
Anyway, you're on your way. I really appreciate the discussion as I appreciate you dug into it by yourself, I like this process and want to thank you for that.

[bigbeatzz]

This has been an awesome learning process for Haze and I. We have about a gazillion emails going back and forth with our test TSI's. I worked every free minute of the weekend and so far I am sticking with the LR area just because I am in so deep (LOLZ, trying to juggle my family in between ).

So far I have 3 effect combos working but I am having some problems with the on off of the effect combos . I find that toggles will not work properly in this case and I may need to figure a way to do direct mode. The issue I have is how do I get all the effects to sync up on the ON state when using toggle OR how to I turn the effects off is using direct buttons. I was going to sacrifice the Undo button to reset effect units 3 and 4, it has a big X on it and seems like the most logical spot if I needed to do something like that.

I changed it a bit from my previous attempts in that effect unit 3 is always advanced and effect unit 4 is chained. I have attached my latest work for anyone to add on to or use for learning. As said before, thanks for the help. At this point my wife is looking at me like I am trying to control the universe from 4 buttons and a knob.

EDIT: I also noticed the ! icon is flashing on the unit every once and a while...could this be because of the button conflicts with the original mapping?

[haze324]

Bigbeatzz....we're close brother.

Yul:
"1st preset: 1st button on (the native on/off led feedback), 2nd blinks, 3rd blinks"

Yes this is what I'm trying to get at. What described above I understand, just never done it so have to try a few trial and error ways to set different states. I've got the shift function done for toggle into preset mode, last one I need is for the LED. I was hoping the on/off function for each button would override the user mapping and just turn on. No luck though.

I'm guessing this method would also work for Bigbeatz using the four buttons in the center of the LR, if one of the states was to cancel out the native functions. That would be neat as well. Hit the "superknob" on button and the center lights of the LR would start flashing and go from there. One of the buttons could then be Bigbeatzz "reset" button in that state.

Just now have to figure out the M=0, M=1, M=2, etc.
where does this modifier go?

[loop]

cool, what а nice thread I just found

I'm in a place with almost no internet and am offline most of the time. Being offline has it's good parts too - i somehow figured out most of what you've typed and discussed here, during the last 2 days of S4 mapping madness. On monday, I used to be a complete mapping noob and now i can almost do voodoo ...

GREAT THANKS FOR YOU INSPIRATION! YOU GUYS ROCK!

When I reworked the Bigbeatzz SuperEffects 1.tsi, with the FX2 switch, it unlocked the door for many useful hacks. You may like some of them, so I'll share:

1. Shortcut for relative mode for timecode, using the opposite Shift+Play for A/B decks. The built-in Keylock is easy to disable, so I did. Have the mapping, if you're interested. I'm changing the Playback mode in reversed order - Rel->Abs->Int, although internal is automatically activated with the "Play" command.
2. A layout, deck size & flavor management with the two shifts and the Offset buttons. May not be the wisest use of the offset buttons, but I can now change C&D to all the deck types and sizes. This, in combination with the Layout shortcuts (Shift+Deck C/D) would likely be useful
3. A&B Wave zoom using Shift + The Loop size encoder. There's no built-in Shift+loopSize, so it was easy to setup.
4. Gain / Key / Pan on the Gain encoders using LShift for Key and RShift for Pan. This one is not working good and it's not very useful IMO. If there's a way to remap Shift + gain push to reset the knob, it'll be much better ... oh well, have to wait for NI.
5. Sample Filter & Volume control in place of FX1 for C and FX2 for D. I'm still working on this, but the approach used is the same as on the BigBeatzz enhanced SuperEffects, I uploaded yesterday. Already usable but need more work to make it more robust. I'm activating it with Shift+FX1/C and Shift+FX2/D. There's blinking feedback for entering the mode and solid led on the 4fx buttons indicating if the control is Filter or Volume.

#1-4 are fully operational and stable already. I want to prepare proper comments and will publish in a thread in the next days. If you want to take a look earlier, I could upload them for preliminary review here

#5 is very playable, especially the filters. When, ready it will become a complementary for the Super Effects mapping. Since it's the same mapping approach, it seems logical to be applied on sample decks C&D (or whatever)

[loop]

... from the previous post ...
I've planned to complete the SE mapping, and the way I see it best is:
I. It will be with two independent pairs of units (4FX mode). One for the left side and for the right. Total of 6 preset sets using the M5=X modifier for layers/combo presets.
II. A/C's FX2 (B/D's FX1) button activates the original (almost) Bigbeatzz's SE mode (M5=1)
III. the on/off toggles second layer of combos (M5=2). It will first be only the Delay Freeze, but on FX3 in advanced mode. At this stage, I'll do it just to proof the concept, as wasting two FX units for a single advanced effect is too much, IMO. It's fine for the start, though.
IV. Shift+on/off brings in third layer/preset of combos (M5=3). No idea what fx presets I'd put yet, but the placeholder is planned. LED indication would probably go on the respective LOAD buttons.
V. Shift + A/C's FX2 (Shift+B/D's FX1) will assign the channel to the opposite side effects pair. That will be useful to have e.g. C on left side FX pair and A on the right pair. That'll be M5=4 & M6=1/0, so that FX units takeover would work properly. Of coursе, there's the limitation that the opposite side FX pair has to be prepared and waiting for the audio feed (have a plan for doing it). LED feedback will be beat monitor on the channel LED (the one above the channel fader)
VI. Shift +A's FX1 (B's FX2) will open for a 3 new layers of FX combos as in #II, III & IV (M5=5,6,7). LED indication is straight forward, as in the first three presets.
VII. Shift + C's FX1 (D's FX2) will release the channels's FX assignment for the Sample's Filter & Volume control mapping. Even if you loose one of the sides for FX, you can still assign the channel to the FX pair on the opposite side using the #VI trick

This whole thing may seem complex, but it's not actually. It's a repeatable sequence of an already stable and robust approach. Adding the knobs&buttons control with the proper M5 condition and it's all good. It'll become a large TSI, though.

Guys, I'm really thankful that you are here (there) and there's someone to get inspiration from and with whom to share

Cheers!

[bigbeatzz]

We've created a monster! LOL, good work loop!

[haze324]

hhahahahaah!!!!

you lost me at Shift + square root of modifier 9
=O

Go get'em Loop! Once you have it to meet your own workflow you'll enjoy it that much more.

[loop]

LOL, I finally feel like I've planted a soul into the S4!