Itch is so close to being awesome!

[diezdiazgiant]

doesn't that... kill the point of Itch?

No that is the one of the points. The libraries are interchangeable, so my dual v7 setup can be used as a home or mobile setup but if I'm going somewhere with a serato install I can just bring my lappy and hd and I have the functionality.

[diezdiazgiant]

I'm sure the Rane issue having the licences to SSL and then throwing in Itch with Vestax, A&H, Pioneer, Numark, etc. is the issue.

Yeah itch is definitly meant to expand the serato brand while getting around the little issue of rane being litigous about exclusivity contracts. Development takes time, another update or two and the programs won't have any real difference

[xtianw]

the interesting thing about their unique business plan is that as a company, its great for them because they've completely eliminated the issue of piracy of their products.

whats most interesting about that business plan is consumers, arent their customers at all. you might think you are, but they dont sell you a license. they sell their hardware partners licenses and they can give you a license to their license via their hardware.

so on one hand, serato gets paid for every single copy of serato in use directly from rane, novation, pioneer, vestax, etc..

but on the other, because of this, i think the hardware partners are the biggest problem.

we wont see a 4 deck + sample player controller until well.... until someone makes one.

unless you want to use a work around like bomes, which is hacky, at best.

[fullenglishpint]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ITCH and SSL together in one program with features unlocked by plugging in relevant hardware would be sweet. Would be nice if you could (without translator programs etc) add extra midi controllers and map them. I mean, it's not a licensing issue.

I don't have a problem with the fact that Serato products are tied to hardware. It makes them unpirateable, and as we know Traktor suffers from a hell of a lot of piracy.

[xtianw]

the biggest problem is that the timeline it takes to develop, build, and manufacture a controller really puts them behind the curve.

they needed to be 1:1 with the s4 with this release. they arent. im sure they will be at some point. but by then, NI will probably have something even better. like a super s4 with maschine built in.

[JesC]

NI will probably have something even better. like a super s4 with maschine built in.

:eek:

[xtianw]

heres my take on itch.

this is based on my experiences and it is perception and opinion.

a) i like itch

b) somehow, i think it has better sound quality than traktor

c) i think its hardware partners are holding it back as a product because letting other midi controllers on the platform (for example, allowing midi controllers to control the sp6 sample player) without a license is 100% completely unacceptable to these people. im sure Serato would do it, they have the code to do it from SSL. But the hardware partners are flat saying no.

im sure its profitable. but i think its hard for the developers over there to see how frustrating those decisions are for end users. releasing the sp6 without a good way to control it was nothing short of stupidity. who wants to use their laptop keyboard or bomes for that? its just stupid stupid stupid from a usability standpoint and not something any serious controllerist would ever want to use in a billion years.

sadly i think their forums hare clouded their view as theres so many people over there that drink the kool aid jonestown style that they think releasing it that way was ok.

i WANT good competition in the market. I swear, when they release products like this. It's almost like theyve bought stock in NI and are hoping to double up on it after a split by sabotaging their own products.

it really is a shame.

[diezdiazgiant]

c) i think its hardware partners are holding it back as a product because letting other midi controllers on the platform (for example, allowing midi controllers to control the sp6 sample player) without a license is 100% completely unacceptable to these people. im sure Serato would do it

chill dude, its been said multiple times that mapping for the sp6 is not only on the way but due for an imminent release

i WANT good competition in the market.

i just wish more of the controllers were modular. the V7s are great but theyre heavy, that denon itch controller is "eh", and thats it for the modular itch options. these all in ones are slick looking but are too bound to software updates.

[ajrindy]

b) somehow, i think it has better sound quality than traktor

how so? how could this be?

[zestoi]

i guess another good reason to buy a twitch is just to be able to try out itch as i'd love to see how it compares. without a supported controller attached you don't get the full functionality from what i read? shame - as it'd be worth just using it with keystrokes (via or not via midi) just to get a feel for the app.