Whats your definition of a live act ?

[Kaon]

(EDIT: One more reason I love this forum. We can have a discussion where people can start off disagreeing, and even end disagreeing, and no one's calling anyone names. YAY DJTT)

yea boi! not like the forums where i discuss philosophies. they take every opportunity to make you look stupid. and making me look stupd is really easy

[midian]

I think the whole differentiation between 'Live' & 'DJing' is somewhat bs.

Perhaps it could be changed to this; A 'DJ' set = Turntables, CDjs, or a DVS (Serato etc). vs a 'Digital' set which is the likes of advanced traktor, Ableton and other performances which include heaps of elements through a digital means.

Tho there is a blurry line with the likes a traktor/scratch/DVS stuff its less 'zomg live or not' for live production style stuff & explains it better then 'live'. I think 'live' is just a hype thing thats caught on imo.


To an extent I think if your doing a different 'digital' set and including live elements (synth/guitar/drums) you may as well cash in on the hype and call yourself 'live' so people realise your doing something different... then again I dont think I will until we have added more elements in.

[mpetersen3]

I think the whole differentiation between 'Live' & 'DJing' is somewhat bs. .....
I think 'live' is just a hype thing thats caught on imo.

Yea I agree that it is definitely a hype thing, but at the end of the day can anyone say that it takes more skill to dj or to play pre-made sounds on an instrument (unless it is a live produced song)? I think not because it varies, based on the effort put in.

[steveboyett]

You can't fool me by agreeing with me. I'm on to your insidious subterfuge, buddy. :P

[DvlsAdvct]

You can't fool me by agreeing with me. I'm on to your insidious subterfuge, buddy. :P

damnit. not my subterfuge!

[steveboyett]

Okay, I meant the stuff that's under the subterfuge. The sub-subterfuge. But not the uber-fuge.

[Sc1C]

So if I'm using a keyboard to play notes that are samples that were recorded by someone else 10 years ago, and I stop doing it and the music stops, then it's live? So the difference for you isn't the source but the fact that it's sequenced or recorded?

If I'm Laurie Anderson and I'm using a harmonizer to repitch my voice over three separate mics so that I can essentially provide my own background vocals, but I stop singing and the background vocals stop, then I'm not performing live?

Technology has blurred the distinctions to the point where the distinctions are arbitrary, irrelevant, and unnecessary. It's only gonna increase. You're trying nail down a cloud.

Like I said, it's not perfect ..

Given the analogy, yes - i would say that unless you are actually playing something, you aren't playing live (in the case of the drums) .. i'd actually go back and say that i haven't particularly been playing live when i have played electronically (although the monosynth parts had to be live, not even any sound presets), more live-mixing/remixing. But it is only an analogy.

It is like trying to nail down a cloud like you say though, and i don't think that there is a definitive answer that is able to cover all bases. In honesty, i don't think that the vast majority of the listening public could give a damn either

I don't get how your 2nd example relates to my analogy though - if you stop, and there is no longer any sound, then i proposed that this would indicate 'live' ?

[steveboyett]

I'm saying that the sound I'm making was originally played and recorded by someone else, but if I stop playing it, the sound stops; therefore sampled music being triggered by a keyboard falls under your definition of "live."

As human beings increasingly interact with recorded and automatically improvisational or sequencing technology in a process so immersive as to be considered collaborative, these attempts to identify "live" are increasingly archaic.

[DvlsAdvct]

I'm saying that the sound I'm making was originally played and recorded by someone else, but if I stop playing it, the sound stops; therefore sampled music being triggered by a keyboard falls under your definition of "live."

As human beings increasingly interact with recorded and automatically improvisational or sequencing technology in a process so immersive as to be considered collaborative, these attempts to identify "live" are increasingly archaic.

What the hell, man? I'm not supposed to agree with you again.

[mpetersen3]

lol he seriously layed it down