Awesome Article on mnml ssgs about "EDM" and how it's actually hurting the scene

[mostapha]

Good article.

I refuse to take a word the author says seriously if he's going to make blatant assumptions that the music is bad because its mainstream.

He didn't. You're conflating his complaint about DJ worship and his complaint about the music sucking.

I've not read the full article as I got bred especially after seeing him using that David guetta video for his argument. Now I don't like David guettas music, but that video isn't real is it? Is he really using it as a basis for his argument or is it some form of joke?

If you're not going to take 10 minutes to read something a thread is based on, just close the window instead of participating.

Or don't and wind up on people's ignore lists. Whatever.

[zero15ny]

Good article.



He didn't. You're conflating his complaint about DJ worship and his complaint about the music sucking.

I personally felt the author was conveying it in a matter of them being one in the same. Its a bit difficult to take him seriously when he feels the need to constantly reference how shitty the music is in reference to how many views it has. It doesn't help that the entire basis of the article views this "Mainstream EDM" as an issue for the "real" electronic music that exists beneath it.

Sure, the guy has some decent arguments about how festivals effect clubs or whatever, but the entire elitist attitude throughout kind of makes me not care what he has to say.

Plus he starts the article off saying how he just discovered all this stuff, so I'm not quite sure where he comes off analyzing it.

[kiss-o-matic]

There's an interesting point that stated right at the first of the argument, that I haven't seen anyone mention. "Maybe Japan is just insulated from this.". There's a lot of truth to that... or was. I don't know about now that most people buy their tracks online instead of the very, very few record shops that are still around. I remember way back when, never hearing shit that was popular in the US, and to some extent Europe, but was huge here. And I'm sure vice versa. I never knew who Britany Spears was until like 4 years into her stardom. You can live in a bubble in Japan if you want to.

I've held a theory for everything for a long time and nothing has really ever broken it: When something enters the mainstream, it turns to absolute shit. The problem is, money comes in to play, and money stifles creativity. Look at the games industry for a perfect example. We used to get nothing but fresh, creative ideas for a fraction of the budget in the 80's, and even up through the 90's to an extent. Now we get the same thing done over and over again for $50 million dollars a shot. One can argue that they're just following the movie industry.

While the author makes very valid claims (I agree whole-heartedly) it should not be a surprise. The Tokyo scene has changed vastly in the last decade. There are some clubs that will only open on Saturday night if they have foreign talent booked -- that very often includes big-name, but awful DJs. Police are enforcing cabaret-laws (this is really fucking stupid), and even medium-sized parties are seeing corporate sponsorship. In the late 90's even the cheesy clubs weren't sponsored. Now, even the good ones are most of the time.

EDM, just like is going to follow that trend just like music in general has done. The trick will be, as if it isn't hard as shit already, to sift through the turds and find the good stuff. I spend ages on Beatport to find 5 suitable tracks. Fucking painful, and it's getting worse. However, it exists. Shit, there's even good rock music out there if you're good at finding needles in haystacks.

Its a bit difficult to take him seriously when he feels the need to constantly reference how shitty the music is in reference to how many views it has.

I only watched one of the videos, and it was David Guetta tran-wrecking in front of about 10,000 people. He should have iterated another point that has damaged the DJ scene. There is a LOT of weight on looks. Heaps of girl DJs that are fucking awful but they get gigs b/c they have tits.

Long story short, DJing is like 80% popularity these days. I know I'm on my whole "get off my lawn" rant, but I can't remember the last artist that really wooed me. That's not to say they don't exist... they do... and it happens... it's just a lot more rare these days, and shit-but-popular djs exist at every pay grade.

[guiltyblade]

Imo "EDM" is going a similar route to what Hip-hop/Rap did. It was a unique thing, soulful, about music, and peoples lives, good and bad. People listened to hip-hop and rap because it connected with them and both musically, for the scene, and because it was the guy next door spit out over beats.

Now hip-hop/rap is your lil waynes, and dres, and holograms of dead rappers. You get asshats who think they are god and do whatever they want aka Kanye west.

Eventually EDM will go that way. Totally MTVed out people will get tired of it like Eminem and it will begin crawling back underground.

[MisterMoleyMole]

Good article.
If you're not going to take 10 minutes to read something a thread is based on, just close the window instead of participating.

Or don't and wind up on people's ignore lists. Whatever.

Wow a bit harsh I would say.

What exactly did I do to deserve that response?

I read the article as far as that video and just thought it looked a bit fake but was being used in the article as though it was real. I asked a question about the video, and you say because of this i will end up on peoples ignore list? "Whatever"

WTF!?

Thanks.

[mostapha]

Enh…I think this discussion could be interesting, but not if people are going to ignore the article it's based on.

[photojojo]

Enh…I think this discussion could be interesting, but not if people are going to ignore the article it's based on.

Agreed, if you don't read the article then you're commenting on someone else's interpretation of that article. Unless you know that person very well you have no idea if their interpretation will be the same as yours.

[MisterMoleyMole]

I'm even more confused now.... is that video a joke is all I was asking. Am I right in thinking someone has made that to take the piss out of David Guetta? It's not real is it? He isn't really that bad is he?

Its getting hard work on this forum nowadays. Everybody jumping all over people all the time! I will participate in whatever forum topic I please, and for whatever reason (on topic) I please. I do not need your permission to speak.

In this case I started to read an article and found the David Guetta video worthy of asking the question.

So .... Is the Video a fake that someone has made to make Guetta look bad, or is he really that bad? Is it that I need to start a new topic to ask this question?

Thanks for your helpful responses so far guys, you make me feel really welcome.

[guiltyblade]

yeah that videos fake haha.

[mostapha]

I'm even more confused now.... is that video a joke is all I was asking. Am I right in thinking someone has made that to take the piss out of David Guetta? It's not real is it? He isn't really that bad is he?

Forgive me. I thought you were saying the article was a joke because he was making fun of Guetta (whether the video was real or not) not that the video was a joke.

Sorry.

yeah that videos fake haha.

I didn't watch it. Must be pretty bad.