Dubstep BPM Question

[karma]

70 bpm doubled is 140 bpm it doesn't matter what you use because if you have a song at 70 and another at 140 and they both start at the same time they will be synced.

[MyUsername]

Did anyone else notice that pretty much all Dubstep is exactly 140 and not a variation of?
It seems the dubstep producers haven't worked out how to move the BPM function in (insert used daw here)...

I bring to your attention Evidence A:



This track has a BPM of 143.
140 was always the go to tempo since the genesis of dubstep but for some reason some producers like to make it a bit more challenging for those of us who do not use sync so they bring out some 135, 142,143 or 145 BPM, you know, just to mess with us

[MyUsername]

Because the drums are in half-time?

Anyhow, does it really matter which exact BPM it is? 70/140 is all the same really, as long as you beatmatch it you're good.

I agree with loverocket on this one.

If you mixed a 140 BPM track into a 70 BPM track, you 'd have kicks emerging from nowhere, so the crowd suddenly needs to change their groove, eliminating the purpose of beatmatching entirely.

Why would you call it 140 BPM if there aren't 140 beats in a minute.
It could, could be produced at 140 but that still doesn't make it 140 BPM, if the producer selected 140 in his daw but did his percussion halftime, you get me ?

There is a big difference IMO between:

Massive kick - low velocity kick - Earthshattering snare - low velocity kick (&Repeat)

and this:

Massive kick - eerie silence - Earthshattering snare - eerie silence (&Reapeat)


If I'm wrong that's possible, but I see some major differences here.

[Shane Says]

I think everyone is getting hung up on the fact that the beats are typically at 70 because it's half-time 140. But like someone else said the majority of the other instrumentals are at 140. Fruity loops was used by a lot of dubstep producers back in the 2000's and this was the default bpm setting of the software.

[loverocket]

Here is further proof: DATSIK a "dubstep producer" talks about the New 110 BPM dubstep trend. Does that mean it's really 220 BPM ??? haha. Fast Forward to >> 3:45 for the comment:

[loverocket]

I think everyone is getting hung up on the fact that the beats are typically at 70 because it's half-time 140. But like someone else said the majority of the other instrumentals are at 140. Fruity loops was used by a lot of dubstep producers back in the 2000's and this was the default bpm setting of the software.

so it was a lazy Fruity Loops BPM error by the early pioneers in dubstep. That is actually a logical answer. And kind of down and dirty. Like "We don't need no education." The end justifies the means. Cool stuff. We should update wikipedia. haha.

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[loverocket]

one more thing. Happy Father's Day out there.

[ellgieff]

I agree with loverocket on this one.

If you mixed a 140 BPM track into a 70 BPM track, you 'd have kicks emerging from nowhere, so the crowd suddenly needs to change their groove, eliminating the purpose of beatmatching entirely.

Why would you call it 140 BPM if there aren't 140 beats in a minute.
It could, could be produced at 140 but that still doesn't make it 140 BPM, if the producer selected 140 in his daw but did his percussion halftime, you get me ?

There is a big difference IMO between:

Massive kick - low velocity kick - Earthshattering snare - low velocity kick (&Repeat)

and this:

Massive kick - eerie silence - Earthshattering snare - eerie silence (&Reapeat)


If I'm wrong that's possible, but I see some major differences here.

Yes. One of those "tunes" has rests in it, one doesn't. A rest can still be a beat, it's just a beat that's silent.

There _are_ 140 beats (ish) a minute in most dubstep. Whether a kick drum exists on the beat or not, the beat is still there. That's what makes it 140 bpm.

[Deejaesnafu]

This is, once again, because the drums are in half time, you dance to the beat, no? If you listen to the bass, the leads and the hi-hats you'll notice they're in 140.

Geez, what is this, dubstepforum.com?

im sorry but this statement, and pretty much this whole conversation are arbitrary. the high hats or bass or any instrument are not "in 140". there are only divisions of time. a 32nd note high hat pattern at 70 bpm and a 16th note high hat pattern at 140 bpm sound exactly alike. so basically this whole argument is like asking "is the glass 1/2 full, or 4/8 full or 8/16 full ?"

in the end the BPM is just a reference tool. and since you can halve or double anything to compensate , it just doesnt matter.

[oliosky]

Here is further proof: DATSIK a "dubstep producer" talks about the New 110 BPM dubstep trend. Does that mean it's really 220 BPM ??? haha. Fast Forward to >> 3:45 for the comment:

or is it really at 55bpm? Anyone remember that chopped and screwed fad? 110bpm "dubstep" is just an incarnation of breaks and funk if you ask me.


Either way, who fucking cares for mixing purposes. Half time tunes work great in mixing up the groove of a set. Fucking technerds splitting hairs on whether half time BPM is for real and what BPM it should be labelled? Give me strength.