Ableton Push vs Maschine vs Livid Instruments Base

[SwedeDreams]

How do you plan on using it live performance ? In Ableton or traktor ?

[evolutebeats]

How do you plan on using it live performance ? In Ableton or traktor ?

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[Mi.Lo]

pick up a launchpad, will be always useful

[m3ta]

Push all the way!
I've sold my maschine mk1 to buy the push.
Since i use ableton live i can't find any real use of maschine beside the beatmaking. Push can do more and more... and WITHIN live! it's just awesome.

Not really. It really depends on what you're doing as there are many things that Push simply cannot do that Maschine does, and vice versa. Push is really lacking when it comes to sampling/editing/chopping functions:

- you can't sample into Drum Rack pads from Push.
- you won't be able to do things like sample chopping or waveform editing from the Push controller, obviously as it doesn't show the waveform on the hardware.
- you can't slice to Drum Racks from Push.
- you can't duplicate Drum Rack pads from Push.
- Push doesn't have access to the Drum Rack's mixer or sends.
- you won't be able to add/remove warp markers from Push.
- Push will only be able to edit start/end points for audio clips that has already been warped, so you won't be able to do things like just loading an unwarped clip and jumping to different parts of the clip using the Push encoder.
- Push can't browse/load or automap to plugins (You would have to save them in racks beforehand)
- Push can't do step automation (aka step parameter locks/p-locks)
- Push will still force you to click around a computer screen with a mouse for a lot of the software functions.
- and obviously, Push doesn't have the Komplete integration like Maschine where all presets can be browsed and loaded from the hardware.

[balakoth]

Push all the way!
I've sold my maschine mk1 to buy the push.
Since i use ableton live i can't find any real use of maschine beside the beatmaking. Push can do more and more... and WITHIN live! it's just awesome.

Speaking of setup...
i have a MBP retina, impulse 101 25 keys, HDJ500, empire media s5500 studio monitors. And of course... the push as soon as ableton will release it!
Is the only thing i'm really missing.

AW thats to bad... In 6 weeks ill have my Push to go with my Avid Artist Controllers, and my Maschine for a completely mouseless (For the most part) workflow... Push for Step sequencing, chords, keys, controlling ableton devices and plugins, the Maschine for controlling NI soft synths (I use alot of them and the Push does not natively map to them like the Maschine)

They are two different beasts for my need so they compliment each other perfectly in my eyes. It really depends on your live performance workflow and setup in my opinion. Live drumming, mashups, instrumentation id go Maschine, pattern mixing, and clip firing id go Push...

For Production again, I am going to use them both

[Ashigari]

I own a Maschine mikro and now I'm thinking about either getting the full size Maschine mk1 or Push...

As I'm pretty new to production workflow is pretty important and currently I struggle to get my loops from Maschine into Ableton to arrange them properly and automate some stuff. I'm at work so I can't check but is is possible to automate a Maschine parameter in Abelton e.g. modulate the attack of a kick (coming from the Maschine) in Ableton? I don't like the idea of having to export each Maschine sound as an actual sound file but I'd rather want to see the MIDI notes and be able to edit any parameters over time / per step.

Push seems nice as I could run all elements on a seperate step sequencer with different lenghts as far as I understand it and it would be pretty good for controlling Massive or any other synthesizers.

[erpi]

I owned Maschine Mk1 - sold it. I owned Mikro Mk1 - sold it. I owned Maschine Mk2 - sold it (damn NI marketing and "hands-on workflow"). I finally pre-ordered Push.

Maschine is great and have a fantastic workflow for creating loops and sampling, no doubt about that. The arrangement capabilities on Maschine is very weak and i am not even talking about basic mixdowns (no visual feedback on levels - I know you are supposed to use your ears but frankly it was a nightmare). The worst was trying to move from a Maschine project to arrange in a proper Daw that offers the necessary mixing and arrangement environment. Drag and drop yes it is easy but if it is more than 10 loops it was tedious to say the least - long hours using the mouse. Commit to audio and drag the wavs, you'd better be a king of folders organization to remember which part is your 2 bar fill or your Riser. Routing audio and midi was also a nightmare because Maschine overrides your output audio routing each time you change a sound on the pad. All in all no need for a pseudo-Daw inside your Daw. I had high hopes for the promised Traktor integration but ironically Live was more able to hold the sync tight as a slave than Maschine in Traktor and this integration is still vaporware today after more than 2 years.

Push may not be able to do everything from the controller but it would be impossible because Live is much more complex than Maschine. NI needs to work on creating their daw and then Maschine will be a useful tool for making music and not just a tool to create a collection of loops or struggling to create an arrangement where micro edits areso cumbersome to incorporate.

No one needs Maschine or Push to make music - keyboard shortcuts and knowing your daw is technically all you need, the rest is talent (no Daws provides that in the box unfortunately)!