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**mostapha** · 06-07-2012, 07:43 PM

Not bad for $60…and a lot better to write automation than the mouse. But, uhh…it's convinced me that I don't care about the Novation Remote Zero SL mk2 (or anything like it). I've decided that $60 is the most I'd pay for a DAW controller that doesn't have touch-sensitive and motorized faders……which sadly means that I'm looking for older, discontinued stuff or spending a couple grand when it's time to upgrade.

I think this is why:

That's a friend of mine. That control surface is awesome if you don't have to pay $30,000 for it.

BTW…here's the sad thing. They own different plugins than I do……mostly maschine……which doesn't do iLok authorization. So, when tracking drums live from maschine, I have to use my computer. We're basically using $200,000 worth of hardware in a $150,000 sound proof room to send a stereo pair to the genelecs.

Edit: No, I don't know why the picture is upside down. tinypic apparently sucks.
Edit: image re-hosted on GT webspace. I didn't have access to it the first time because I was off campus and they stopped allowing ssh/scp access to the web server for some stupid reason related to their "grand plan" to fuck over students, faculty, and alums.

**djdunamis** · 06-07-2012, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by mostapha

Not bad for $60…and a lot better to write automation than the mouse. But, uhh…it's convinced me that I don't care about the Novation Remote Zero SL mk2 (or anything like it). I've decided that $60 is the most I'd pay for a DAW controller that doesn't have touch-sensitive and motorized faders……which sadly means that I'm looking for older, discontinued stuff or spending a couple grand when it's time to upgrade.

That's a friend of mine. That control surface is awesome if you don't have to pay $30,000 for it.

BTW…here's the sad thing. They own different plugins than I do……mostly maschine……which doesn't do iLok authorization. So, when tracking drums live from maschine, I have to use my computer. We're basically using $200,000 worth of hardware in a $150,000 sound proof room to send a stereo pair to the genelecs.

Edit: No, I don't know why the picture is upside down. tinypic apparently sucks.

About to say, you want us to stand on our heads to see it, lol. There's several options for motorized faders without taking a loan out to buy. Command 8 and Avid has some new controllers as well for Pro Tools. Aren't you recording your Maschine into his session anyway?

**RockingClub** · 06-08-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by djdunamis

There's several options for motorized faders without taking a loan out to buy. Command 8 and Avid has some new controllers as well for Pro Tools.

Some others are the Mackie Control Universal Pro (kind of classics) and the Icon Qcon Pro which goes very easy on the budget! For about 4200 bucks you will be able to buy a SSL Nucleus which has fantastic build-quality and 16 channels!

**mostapha** · 06-08-2012, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by djdunamis

About to say, you want us to stand on our heads to see it, lol. There's several options for motorized faders without taking a loan out to buy. Command 8 and Avid has some new controllers as well for Pro Tools. Aren't you recording your Maschine into his session anyway?

My session.

He (he's a drummer) was playing my maschine hosted as a plugin in my copy of PT 10, monitored through the XMON attached to an HD2 rig running PT8. The only reason we were doing it there is because their genelecs are in a better room than my KRKs (more space and sounds better). It's barely worth the effort…it's just free for me. Next time we do it, we'll probably just be using computer speakers at his place.

I'll be mixing in there because of their monitors, but I'll just be bringing bounced audio files. There's no reason to track in there except the speakers.

About your suggestions…

The Command 8 is one of the ones being considered, along with the Avid Artist series stuff and some older gear that I might be able to find. A Tascam US-2400 would be one option, though it's missing scribble strips and a bit expensive. I just don't understand why you'd pay $300 for something that's just not as good when there are multiple options around $1000 that are easily 3-4 times better. But the $60 toy will keep me from racking up credit card debt I don't need until I can actually justify the expense. The top end I'd actually consider would be an SSL Nucleus…and that seems a bit extravagant for what it is compared to a couple Artist series controllers and a monitor controller.

I do wish that Maschine had an HUI emulation the way it emulates Mackie Control……except it's MC emulation didn't really work and kept glitching out with Logic. Endless encoders and scribble strips would be an easy choice if they were like $300. IDK…maybe it's worth trying a Remote SLmk2 and just ignoring the fader half……if I can get automap to do it.

About the console in that picture……The D-Control/D-Command controllers are really cool…but they are not worth their price just to have EQs and Compressors auto-mapped and a few extra rotaries per channel that never map sensibly. For the price of the D-Control, I'm pretty sure you can buy an entire Pro Tools HDX rig with Apogee converters and a very decent 24-channel analog console…and the price of the D-Control doesn't include the HD rig that it takes to run it or the XMON that it takes to make it half worthwhile.

The only reason to even think about the better ones is that PT has 2 pan knobs for stereo channels…which is weird…but easily solvable using buses.

The difference between a few hundred and 1-5 grand is night & day……the difference between 1-5 grand and 30 grand is tiny.

**Xonetacular** · 06-08-2012, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by mostapha

My session.

He (he's a drummer) was playing my maschine hosted as a plugin in my copy of PT 10, monitored through the XMON attached to an HD2 rig running PT8. The only reason we were doing it there is because their genelecs are in a better room than my KRKs (more space and sounds better). It's barely worth the effort…it's just free for me. Next time we do it, we'll probably just be using computer speakers at his place.

what are you working on?