Logic pro vs ableton live for a beginner

[Coldfuzion]

Workflow is IMHO the only valid reason to own things like analog mixing boards and hardware synths. And I hope to be able to afford both at some point.

I disagree with the first part of your statement. It's hard to tell these days whats a VST and whats a real hardware synth, but the real hardware synth will still have a warmer feel to it. And it'd probably be easier to program a VST such as Razor rather than programming a hardware synth to use just because you can save presets on Razor, on your hardware synth (I believe) that each time you fire it up it'll sound maybe slightly different even if you have everything in the same position because of the oscillator warming up / being at a different temperature when you use it. I do agree with the mixing board though. Shit makes life a while lot easier. That and a MIDI keyboard.

[mostapha]

I said hardware, not analog. I can get sounds I like with a couple minutes in front of a virus. I've found exactly one soft synth that gives me anything even close to that (Dune), and it's still a huge PITA, though I like it a lot better than anything else I've tried (only had it for about a week, though…still, much longer honeymoon than anything else).

And there's no reason to save presets. Just bounce to audio. Working with audio instead of midi saves a lot of time because you're not constantly tweaking your sounds. I like half-assed synth sounds a lot better than getting stuck in modulation engines for days at a time, and you can always re-record…it just gives you a little "is it worth it" sanity check that I find valuable.

I haven't saved a synth patch in months, and I don't miss it. YMMV.

[DJZILCH]

hi there, im an audio engineering student who happens to have both software (educational editions which i bought at a discount from my school)

let me just say that both are really good - logic gives you an insane amount of included plugins and instruments, while ableton has much much better workflow in my opinion

for example, grouping tracks in ableton means pretty much holding shift and choosing all the tracks you want to group and then right click and choose group, now this group can also act like a bus (you can also create a bus track if you want to and route what you want individually) where you can put plugins that will affect everything that you grouped together, another thing is resampling midi into audio, in ableton its soo easy, just create new track, choose "resample", solo whatever you wanna bounce to audio from midi, arm , press record, done ~ its just so intuitive and simple

i was trained to use all daw software in my school (protools, logic, cubase, reason) but one that i love the most for electronic music would be ableton for its super fast workflow

for tracking real instruments i would choose either cubase or protools, or logic, for me its all the same, once you understand the difference between the software the only difference between them are the interface / workflow, no one said theres something you can do in one software that you cant do on the other one, with some clever thinking everything is possible

if you are more leaning into the electronic side of music as you said, i'd say ableton is a good choice

at $200 logic will have a bit more value packed in though, does the $200 version include all 76GB of content? if so then logic is a good starting point price wise

[mostapha]

does the $200 version [of Logic] include all 76GB of content? if so then logic is a good starting point price wise

Not quite.

It includes all the instruments, including a lot of ESX sample-based instruments. But I think they dropped the Apple Loops after realizing from "generic usage data" that the first time people accessed them was to delete them and recover wasted disk space.

There's nothing missing that matters, at least nothing I'm aware of.

[sphilibin]

Midi Controllers are over rated. I blew a shit load of cash on a luachpad, Keystudio, and MPD 32, and all that's left is the keystudio. And that's only because i've been play piano since preschool. To anyone reading this, buy a midi keyboard, and then use your extra $$$ to buy software synths.

[3heads]

Midi Controllers are over rated. I blew a shit load of cash on a luachpad, Keystudio, and MPD 32, and all that's left is the keystudio. And that's only because i've been play piano since preschool. To anyone reading this, buy a midi keyboard, and then use your extra $$$ to buy software synths.

To anyone reading this, disregard the quoted post and think about what might fit your particular workflow (be it the presence or absence of MIDI controllers, usage of actual hardware vs. software, ...).

[mostapha]

I'm with 3heads. My keyboard is the only thing I don't use (because I haven't played piano all my life) and I find not having a good control surface extremely frustrating.

[sphilibin]

Well i thought it went with out saying that's what fit MY workflow. If someone is asking what to do on here, obviously they want more than one end of the spectrum, no need to be snappy about it. If you can make a whole song with $2 worth of samples, and Analog in ableton, more power to ya.

[sphilibin]

Why give opinions and preference if the next guy is gonna say?

^Don't listen to that guy.

My bad, i'll stop helping newbies, since i'm doing it all wrong.

[julynessi]

If you don't record any real instruments (including Mic.) ...then you don't get main benefits of logic and also mainstage .. but you can use garageband for working with apple loops.

Ableton have better work-flow If you want to use it for djing.....
or you can buy Midi Controller that native support ableton e.g. Launchpad,APC-20,40,RemoteSLMk2 all of this comes with Ableton live (them edition)...but anyway Midi-Controller never improve your skills or increase any knowledge of remix tracks as you point..you don't need midi controller to doing this but hey...MIDI controller make this thing more interesting and more fun