DJM-T1 or Z2?

[rdej47]

The really funny thing about the T1 is that they could have beat the Z2 to some features, if all they did was include a send/return loop they could have just used Traktor's send/return outputs and had post fader fx's when they first released the mixer. But they didn't....bunch of bums

[oneapemob]

You can look at post fader effects as a huge advantage of the z2 but you can also look at the fact that you need internal mixing to have post fader effects as a huge downfall.

There will be a delay with the internal crossfader compared to the external of the djm t1...it may not be huge but for me with a windows computer, I see that number of signals being sent as just another way to make traktor crash on windows. You could just always leave decks playing and not need a start/pause button....u can just cue using the hotcues.

I see it highly unnecessary to buy another controller just to have a play button.

I have to disagree with you on the delay thing, at least if we are talking about playing from traktor, and not from a direct source (vinyl or cd decks straight into the t1). The delay is already there, the delay comes from traktor's inherent system. So playing internal or external, you have the same delay, adding the post fader fx in internal mode won't add anymore delay than let's say using a beatmasher in external, so in use 0.

And if you are using vinyl or cd, then yeah there is less delay if it doesn't have to go thru traktor, but then the t1 and the z2 are the same on that point, and both lack physical send/return.

I might add that it might be possible ( let's see when the z2 is out ) to instead of using the direct connection for vinyl/cd, have then as audio thru in deck A and B in traktor and thus, if your computer is connected, be able to use the fx postfader. Doable with a minimum of mapping. And i would have thought that you could do the same with the t1, be able to use it both as internal or external mixer. And when in internal, have it only do midi, and have the led meters and everything driven by traktor.

[rdej47]

By the sounds of this message from Keir over on the NI forums it doesn't sound like we'll be getting post fader fx in external mode, which pretty much makes any Traktor certified mixer inferior to the Z2.

Further to my last email, I need to clarify:

It will only work in internal mixing mode fully. In external mode only the midi controls have effect.

I hope that clears things up for you.

Cheers,
Keir.

Keir @ NI wrote:
Hey,

If you use the USB connection to Traktor you should be fine. I had to ask the Traktor guys and have been told things are a little different if you hook up a mixer just using audio connections. It's complicated but the effects won't fade out when pulling down the fader, but when you use a filter controller you will hear fade out.

I hope that helps.

Best wishes,
Keir.


dej47 wrote:
Hey Keir can you confirm whether or not the new post fader fx will work in external mode? I've got the DJM T1 and have been waiting for post fader fx.

[oneapemob]

I don't want to sound like an ass, but yeah of course it won't work with external mode...
The only way to make it work in external mode is thru a physical send/return connection between your soundcard and your mixer, and then selecting an fx slot in traktor to be in "send" mode. But when doing that you need to have a mixer that can itself send its audio post fader on the fx loop.

If you take the example of the denon dn x 1600 in external mode, the fx loop is post fader, but i dont think it can feed the fx send/return to the integrated soundcard. So unless you map something on the dnx1600 to "cut" the sound in traktor, then any traktor fx not on the physical send/return will be pre fader.

If you are using the dnx1600 in internal mode as a midi controller, then any fx you choose to be postfader in traktor will be fed postfader in the main output.

[fu3L3r]

djm-t1 all day the z2 is pretty but thats about it. the djm-t1 has 3 effects knobs to control group effects as the z2 only has one. also the play pause "nudge" buttons are on the t1. the fader on the t1 is good too. for the people saying it breaks i have a fix

[blueprint]

it's actually rubberized metal.

[djAB3]

Can you run 4 decks with T1?

[rdej47]

Can you run 4 decks with T1?

technically yes. It involves running the deck c/d outputs through the same outputs as deck a/b. So if you're using remix decks you could layer percussion sounds on top of the running track but this means anything you EQ for deck a/b will apply to deck c/d. You'd have to use your remix decks volume faders to have control over the volume for deck c/d

[rsciangula]

I owned the T1, liked it but never loved it. One of my biggest issues, though small was that it did not have a dedicated filter knob. Additionally the sound quality was not as good as my S4. which I owned at the same time. I looked it up and the sampling rate of the T1 is 48kHz compared to S4's 96kHz. NI Z2 sound card is much better than that of the T1.

Other specs as follows:
- Frequency: 20 Hz to 20 kHz
- Distortion: Less than 0.004%
- Headroom: 19 dB

I had the mixer about 6 months but ended up using my s4 at clubs because of the portability and work flow at the time. Probably the best bang for your buck before the z2 came out.

[lenodd]

hello - first post here - lurked a bit over the years though...

My comparison of the two:

Post Fx - z2 (yes) , DJM (no)
Flux mode - z2 (yes), DJM (no)
Transport controls - z2 (no), DJM (yes)
FX controls - z2 (2 - 1 filter, 1 macro), DJM (3 pots, LFOs)
Mic i/p - z2 (rear), DJM (front)
USB hub - z2 (yes), DJM (no)
Channel switches - z2 (big), DJM (bit fiddly)
Deck C/D vol control? yes to both
Internal vs external? as far as i can tell, DJM is external only
Version of Traktor? I have no clue.
Price isnt an influencing factor as there is only £50 in it, its about what it right for me. Lack of transport isn't a dealbreaker as use my decks and can map something to my launchpad for spare buttons

I'm leaning toward the z2 as it has post fx, usb hub, the mic i/p in the right place (for me) and only has one pot less. The one thing that keeps running thru my mind is that the djm is a pioneer and i know they make good mixers, native have only ever made this.

Does anyone know if you can change the fx using just the z2?