Ableton Push: Integrated, Touch-Sensitive Hardware Control for Live

**botstein** · 10-30-2012, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by mostapha

That's actually really well thought out, and I agree with their design decision.

Yes, Jesse, Chris and others are really, really, cool to respond to us directly - and made a sweet controller too.

Originally Posted by mostapha

Agreed. Maschine does have it's shortcomings. Using it with any DAW overcomes them pretty much completely. And Live is a great choice because of how it interacts with controllers. Despite their marketing, I don't think anyone at NI actually intended for tracks to be finished using only Maschine.

I just wrote on another thread about how Ableton + Maschine already has Push-esque coloured scales and such. It's sweet.

As for finishing tracks on Maschine, I don't see how I could, really. Something that seems to show up a lot over at NI's community is "It's thyme for NI to make their own DAW, SERIOUSLY lololololol," and that is really what would be needed in order to finish a track in Maschine, standalone.

**RockingClub** · 10-30-2012, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by botstein

As for finishing tracks on Maschine, I don't see how I could, really. Something that seems to show up a lot over at NI's community is "It's thyme for NI to make their own DAW, SERIOUSLY lololololol," and that is really what would be needed in order to finish a track in Maschine, standalone.

ABSOLUTELY!!! +100 there!
Maschine is such a great piece to make musical ideas coming alive but you always come to the point that you quite like what you've got and then want to mix it. You'd like to transfer everything to your DAW but not as bounced audio files! You want to keep every possibility to tweak things! And this is where Maschine is always frustrating...

**mostapha** · 10-30-2012, 01:35 PM

If you're not done tweaking, you're not ready to mix…at least, in my mind.

But you could always re-record.

**ksandvik** · 10-30-2012, 02:09 PM

With Push you are most likely locked to Ableton Live as your main DAW which is the secret goal of Ableton. While many of us producers want more flexibility.

**botstein** · 10-30-2012, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by ksandvik

With Push you are most likely locked to Ableton Live as your main DAW which is the secret goal of Ableton. While many of us producers want more flexibility.

What makes you think Push will be locked to Ableton, or that that they have any secret goals?

**ksandvik** · 10-30-2012, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by botstein

What makes you think Push will be locked to Ableton, or that that they have any secret goals?

Why would they be interested to make this to work with other DAWs? Or NI products? I'm sure clever end users will MIDI map the controller to various other DAW functions but don't expect anything like Automap from Ableton.

**mostapha** · 10-30-2012, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by ksandvik

With Push you are most likely locked to Ableton Live as your main DAW which is the secret goal of Ableton. While many of us producers want more flexibility.

It doesn't seem so secret to me.

Besides, the business model works.

**MrPopinjay** · 10-30-2012, 10:51 PM

I really really want this controller, just not with ableton. Maybe if I wish really hard some code wizard will make a plugin for renoise that gets it all working nicely. (yeah right)