For those of you who have tickled a Xone

[MrPopinjay]

How strange. I wonder if their current models function that way. I'll be disappointed if they do, they look like really nice units.

[MaxOne]

Trust me, in the end the A&H metering makes way more sense than the way Pioneer does it. For one, the output level should not be your concern as a DJ, that's for the sound guy to know (and only for him to adjust too). The A&H way makes full use of the VU meter resolution regardless of the actual level you're putting out to the amp. With Pioneer you always end up with less resolution: if you keep the master level low way too few LEDs get used, if you run the master level hot all you see is red. Shitty solution, imo.

Eh?

Maybe i'm missing something but i want my VU meters to show me the level my channel is putting out before i bring it into the mix... if i've turned by bass off i sometimes notice because the vu meter is low

And I want my master vu to show me what the master volume is looking like.

The pioneer mixer VUs are super logical, i have mine bouncing around nicely just before touching the peak on both channel and master.

I adjusted volume on my active monitors so it all visually sits right on the DJM800

When I've used A&H mixers in club i find I just ignore the vu meters and use my ears cause they're either too short (62) or just a bit odd 92

Not a deal breaker but i just find the VU meter makes more sense on the 800 than on the 92

Xone defo sounds a bit analogue warmer than the 800 and filters are better but there's a lot of good ergonomics in the 800. VU meters being one

[MrPopinjay]

Problem with the DJMs is that you can't pick a point for all your channels to sum to, keep it there all night and then adjust the volume as you like with the master output. Does that make sense?

With the master turned down the resolution on the master is too low for you to really use it. And if you say "Well just turn up the master and manage the volume with the amp" what's the point in having a master volume knob at all? You'd be replicating pre-master volume VU metering by throwing away your volume controls.

[3heads]

When I've used A&H mixers in club i find I just ignore the vu meters and use my ears cause they're either too short (62) or just a bit odd 92

Not a deal breaker but i just find the VU meter makes more sense on the 800 than on the 92

Seriously? I can't completely follow you.

But I think you're mixing up different things. I was talking about the master VU meters not the channel ones. I actually don't care much about per channel metering, it's nice to get into the broader region before actually cue-ing up, but I prefer to have cue-level on the master meters when a cue is selected (there is something to be said about stereo meters vs. mono ones as you never know how the summing takes place and so on). And as far as master meters go, I still don't see how post-master metering could be advantageous.

(Btw, the Rodec MX180 Mk2 I recently bought also has pre-master-metering, I guess it just makes more sense for a real installation-mixer )

[MaxOne]

Problem with the DJMs is that you can't pick a point for all your channels to sum to, keep it there all night and then adjust the volume as you like with the master output. Does that make sense?

With the master turned down the resolution on the master is too low for you to really use it. And if you say "Well just turn up the master and manage the volume with the amp" what's the point in having a master volume knob at all? You'd be replicating pre-master volume VU metering by throwing away your volume controls.

The master VU metering on the mixer is either useful or it isn't.

Of course in some ways in a club it isn't useful at all as there is a sound engineer who controls the rig and as long as the mixer has headroom and isn't in the red.

Perhaps we're talking about different things. My issue with the xone's is that I find the channel metering not very logical but i haven't looked into it loads.

It just seems more straight forward in the pios. Turn up the gain and bass and the channel vu meter goes up...

I always think that there seems to be one major design flaw i can't get over on all xone's...

I probably am a bit confused. Are you just saying do away with master VU meters on mixers?

DO you mean just have one master one for left and right the rodec?

http://www.sonopal.net/Sonopal.data/...Sono/MX180.jpg

[MrPopinjay]

You keep each audio source peaking at the same level with the per channel VU meters. They are pre-fader so you can then independently control the volumes with the faders.

You keep the sum of each channel (aka the master) peaking at the same level with the master VU meter. They are pre-master-volume-knob so you can then independently control the volumes with the master knob.

Does that make sense?

[3heads]

DO you mean just have one master one for left and right the rodec?

http://www.sonopal.net/Sonopal.data/...Sono/MX180.jpg

It's stereo meters and shows the level of whatever you've selected to cue. So you have to select to cue the master if you want to watch the master level. Not a big deal to me, in the end it's like on my Xone (well, the Xone does it automatically, but it behaves pretty much the same way). I think the Mk3 models and onwards have one meter for the cue and one for the master - which is obviously nicer but no dealbreaker whatsoever.

[MaxOne]

You keep each audio source peaking at the same level with the per channel VU meters. They are pre-fader so you can then independently control the volumes with the faders.

You keep the sum of each channel (aka the master) peaking at the same level with the master VU meter. They are pre-master-volume-knob so you can then independently control the volumes with the master knob.

Does that make sense?

Sort of.

Pioneer per channel levels are pre fader too. Fader down, levels are whatever they are running at but eq and gain will make VU fluctuate. Is this same on Xone? I thought that's what people quibbled?

Why would you want to adjust the master volume knob but not see an adjustment to the master VU meter?

I've been eying a rane empath rotary and have been trying to work out the vu meters on that one.



Looks like there's a button that changes it from master vu to cue left / right deck.

Think i'd miss individual channel VU meters but that mixer is pretty sexy so not sure i'd let it stop me

[Cybertrash]

Sort of.

Pioneer per channel levels are pre fader too. Fader down, levels are whatever they are running at but eq and gain will make VU fluctuate. Is this same on Xone? I thought that's what people quibbled?

Why would you want to adjust the master volume knob but not see an adjustment to the master VU meter?

I've been eying a rane empath rotary and have been trying to work out the vu meters on that one.


Looks like there's a button that changes it from master vu to cue left / right deck.

Think i'd miss individual channel VU meters but that mixer is pretty sexy so not sure i'd let it stop me

The Empath looks like one hunk of a mixer (although I'm a fader man myself, so I wouldn't choose the rotary version), and I've been a bit curious about those VU meters as well... Has anyone got some hands on experience with an Empath?

[Mylestec]

The Empath looks like one hunk of a mixer (although I'm a fader man myself, so I wouldn't choose the rotary version), and I've been a bit curious about those VU meters as well... Has anyone got some hands on experience with an Empath?

I used the Empath once... couldn't get over not having individual meters... I don't quite remember how the master meter worked... but I don't remember noticing a difference so I think it must have worked like the Pio's or Vestax... (monitors mains output)

BTW... I changed the jumper in the 92 and now the individual channel meters are post EQ.... And now after spinning three 2 hour sets on the 92 I'm completely comfortable with the way the master meters work.. just took a little time to accept that they were different than what I had become used to over the years.... and the sound quality...... IMO just a tad shy of the old Urei 1620 I learned on... hadn't heard that sound since.