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    I thought octostout's original post was fair and an accurate assessment of NI's current hardware sales approach. It was completely oriented at the quality of NI hardware, yet you retalliated on an almost entirely software-sided argument without addressing the points made.

    We're all Traktor fans here - otherwise we wouldn't care either way what hardware they're putting out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlos Santos View Post

    So no, I don't think I am taking it too far.
    Ok, no need to get defensive now, i haven't done a thing.

    Oh, i seem i haven't read the whole post... he was definitely accusing you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haze324 View Post
    ^ We all know deep down Karlos hearts Itch
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    theres forums are quickly becoming my least favorite place to discuss anything DJ related... and thats mainly what the mods like Karlos Santos are trying to keep from happening. but its impossible when you have so many clowns spewing nonsense for example mods being in the pockets of NI
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    We don't want to see lock coming this way. Back to topic please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by makar1 View Post
    I thought octostout's original post was fair and an accurate assessment of NI's current hardware sales approach. It was completely oriented at the quality of NI hardware, yet you retalliated on an almost entirely software-sided argument without addressing the points made.

    We're all Traktor fans here - otherwise we wouldn't care either way what hardware they're putting out.
    Eh..? Traktor was a small part of my post. In fact one paragraph. The rest was addressing his ridiculous opinion about Pio and NI and stating that NI was successfully selling hardware no matter how they market it. How was that post "almost entirely software-sided" ?

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    Ok, no need to get defensive now, i haven't done a thing.
    You asked a question. I answered so that you understood the gravity of the issue. That's all. Did I say you had "done a thing" ? Nope.

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    ^ We all know deep down Karlos hearts Itch
    That was one of my better avatars. Of course none of the people in this thread will be aware that I was the guy that spoke out claiming "itch" to be better software than Traktor when we were discussing hi-res jog wheels, and championed the 4 channel NI controller years before it happened....oooor even remember the mock up controller I posted that turned out to be an almost copy of the future S4.

    That's cus I only defend Traktor right..?

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    theres forums are quickly becoming my least favorite place to discuss anything DJ related... and thats mainly what the mods like Karlos Santos are trying to keep from happening. but its impossible when you have so many clowns spewing nonsense for example mods being in the pockets of NI
    Dude don't side with me. You will be accused of being in my pocket. Although it is nice that you have noticed that I have been trying to clamp down on the aggressors on DJTT.

    How about you lot get on with talking about the future of NI products rather than me, as interesting as I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlos Santos View Post
    Eh..? Traktor was a small part of my post. In fact one paragraph. The rest was addressing his ridiculous opinion about Pio and NI and stating that NI was successfully selling hardware no matter how they market it. How was that post "almost entirely software-sided" ?
    You brought up "Traktor features" despite that not being relevant, then compared it to Serato which was also not relevant. Octostout was complaining about NI's hardware and you basically said "Traktor is good and their gear is good" without really addressing the points made.

    Very few "pros" use the gear in question, and instead limit their Traktor use to the software - which is not being disputed - and the sound cards that are required to use that software. How exactly does offering full Traktor Scratch functionality to the DJMs and exclusively offering HID control to Pioneer CDJs (the only way to get decent jog wheel performance outside the S2/4 I might add) not constitute some "pairing up"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by octostout View Post
    Okay I'll be the one to say it, does anyone else tire of the absolutely insane NI ass-kissing done by and encouraged by some of the mods? Other people do it as well, but I have to point out that the mods have specifically sated that they have to encourage this sort of thing for DJTT's business plan. Can we at least get better at calling them out on it, guys?

    The bullocks being spewed by karlos santos right now is fucking world-class.
    We don't have to encourage anything for the store, NI or anyone. Any mod that does so is because he thinks that recommending that is valid, just like any other user would. Our job isn't to boost sales, it's to keep this place clean so you and everybody else in the forum can have a good browsing experience and don't have to dig through piles of spam or hateful comments a la youtube.

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    Saw this picture in a few years back made by somebody. I still think this is pretty sweet and the most of it that double deck focus is some of my mapping tricks as well


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    Quote Originally Posted by makar1 View Post
    You brought up "Traktor features" despite that not being relevant, then compared it to Serato which was also not relevant. Octostout was complaining about NI's hardware and you basically said "Traktor is good and their gear is good" without really addressing the points made.

    Very few "pros" use the gear in question, and instead limit their Traktor use to the software - which is not being disputed - and the sound cards that are required to use that software. How exactly does offering full Traktor Scratch functionality to the DJMs and exclusively offering HID control to Pioneer CDJs (the only way to get decent jog wheel performance outside the S2/4 I might add) not constitute some "pairing up"?
    ^^^^ Thank you. This is exactly what I'm saying.

    A TINY percentage of pro-level DJs use NI's garbage controllers (besides the X1, of course <3 ), yet so many of the mods on the biggest DJ tech forum on the internet are fanboys over them, and are constantly using their position to empower their silly fan opinions. I bring up the fact that Karlos is a mod, because he is absolutely CONSTANTLY using that fact, even outwardly, just like he is now. I say this all the time: If you have a "moderator" tag under your name, you should not be participating in arguments, because consciously or not, you are using your status as a moderator to unfairly enhance your credibility, and that's not how discourse should work. The moderators should be using alternate accounts for that kind of shit.

    It's like arguing with a child holding a gun.

    But go ahead Karlos, pull that trigger and ban me for knowing what I'm talking about and disagreeing with you.

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