New Mac Pro

[makar1]

Sorry, didn't mean to imply per card. Where are you getting information about Thunderbolt having significant latency vs regular PCIE?

[Polygon]

They are not for "acceleration" and they are certainly not for use in any sort of audio applications. You would use them for applications specifically designed to make use of their parallel processing power.

Yes. Want the stability of a mac pro specifically made for your needs which DO NOT include photoshop maya and 3dsmax? Well we'll throw in a couple of $3k gpus that you'll never use just in case.

Why now, audio-related programs are less important than 3d rendering ones? Call it the Mac Pro Designer Edition then.

The audio industry has run on mac for the past what, decade? Of course i expect apple to make such a product configurable!

[deevey]

Sorry, didn't mean to imply per card. Where are you getting information about Thunderbolt having significant latency vs regular PCIE?

For a high bandwidth displays the Video Latency over Thunderbolt @ 2560x1440 is around 10ms (around the same latency as a monitor speaker 5ft from your head)

Yes arguably more latency pcie but for file transfers and constant data streaming it would negligible.

[makar1]

Is that based on the refresh rate of the display, or is it the extra delay caused by Thunderbolt? The only thing I can find with searches is how TB has lower latency than USB.

[R01]

The only thing I can find with searches is how TB has lower latency than USB.

I'm also not really finding anything on TB vs. PCI-E in terms of latency. The only thing I've found is a forum post of some guy using a chassis and a MB Air to run some tests. Post Here

In any case, the tests make it hard to determine what to think. He was playing back 192 tracks while recording 192 tracks at 48kHz, all at 128 buffer size (which is pretty darn small). He ended with 392 samples which is 8.16 MS of latency. He also goes on saying that considering the large I/O he couldn't go at 64 buffer size, and that using a beefier computer would have reduced the sample latency even more (claiming 24 samples apparently).

In any case, 8 MS latency isn't too bad when mixing, but it won't be the first time I get an angry musician over talkback complaining about latency when tracking. If the guy from this post is true in his statement that you can decrease latency to something as low as 24 samples (with more processing power) then we can probably throw the whole "PCI-E has more latency" argument out.

[deevey]

I'm also not really finding anything on TB vs. PCI-E in terms of latency. The only thing I've found is a forum post of some guy using a chassis and a MB Air to run some tests. Post Here

Very good find and pretty clearly shows the lack of limitation of using thunderbolt chassis for peripherals - personally I see it as a giant step forward rather than backwards.

Is that based on the refresh rate of the display, or is it the extra delay caused by Thunderbolt? The only thing I can find with searches is how TB has lower latency than USB.

It was a test on last years Thunderbolt display where it mentioned unsuitable for gaming due to the latency - however on re-think its probably a limitation with the display itself rather than the latency of thunderbolt.

[balakoth]

There's nothing "pro" about it.
It's gonna cost an eye, an arm and a leg. 3k minimum, given the fact it's manufactured in the USA.
And it has NO expandability whatsoever.

Want to install your REDrocket in that baby to, you know, edit PRO videos? Well that's just too bad.

"oh well yeah but you have thunderbolt 2 and shit"

So what? Taking bandwidth away from the GPUs? Fantastic!

This is not a PRO machine. This is just a nice-looking, heavily engineered prosumer unit which is going to look just oh-so-damn-cool together with those harman kardon soundsticks.

EDIT: also, 3k will probably be a quadcore model.

The 12core will probably weigh in at something like 7-8k, which is more than enough to build a 16core watercooled beast that will crunch the crap out of this, raw power-wise. Will it look as sleek and small? No.
Will you have the pleasure of having a better rig for the same price? Hell yeah.

Try more than 7 8 K Polygon. When I was pricing Mac Pros vs building my custom machine, Apples highest spec possibility came in at 11.5k before monitors. This was 12 cores then as well.

So their "later this year mac" isnt really much. Their new one is going to have to weigh in pretty heafty at even bottom end specs.

I built 16 cores, Dual 7970s, 1TB SSD, Dual Closed Loop Watercooling, 64 GB of RAM for 7k, INCLUDING two 1080p 26 inch Monitors. For 7,200. If they can match or beat that with 12 cores, I guess they will be doing pretty good compared to their previous track record of pricing.

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[Polygon]

Try more than 7 8 K Polygon. When I was pricing Mac Pros vs building my custom machine, Apples highest spec possibility came in at 11.5k before monitors. This was 12 cores then as well.

So their "later this year mac" isnt really much. Their new one is going to have to weigh in pretty heafty at even bottom end specs.

I built 16 cores, Dual 7970s, 1TB SSD, Dual Closed Loop Watercooling, 64 GB of RAM for 7k, INCLUDING two 1080p 26 inch Monitors. For 7,200. If they can match or beat that with 12 cores, I guess they will be doing pretty good compared to their previous track record of pricing.

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Well that's a fucking awesome build dude! Imma see some gentle typhoon love in that case

Yeah i just gave a random price there. Specced with top pf the line gfx this baby's going to come in at 12-13 if not more

[Polygon]

HAHAHAHAHA I'M CURRENTLY DYING RIGHT HERE XD

[SlvrDragon50]

JESUS. THAT COMPUTER BALAKOTH.

And I thought the people over at Hard Forum were crazy with their builds...