Do you beatmatch manually or sync?

[keithace]

I really don't get this at all. I have no problem noticing an off beat and the last time I imported tracks into the track collection 100% (total 15 tracks) were correctly auto gridded and perfectly on beat when mixed in. Either you are really unlucky or you buy music that requires a lot of fucking about.

yeah...i can't remember when I had to mess with the autogrid on new music I bought. (I tend to buy a fair amount of tracks)

[mostapha]

I really don't get this at all. I have no problem noticing an off beat and the last time I imported tracks into the track collection 100% (total 15 tracks) were correctly auto gridded and perfectly on beat when mixed in. Either you are really unlucky or you buy music that requires a lot of fucking about.

Honestly, auto-gridding is in the same place of my mind as brain freeze.

Everyone else says it happens (auto-grids working or brain freeze happening).

I know why they should work...I actually have studied dsp and get it, and I know the nerves involved in causing brain freeze.

But tracks don't auto-grid for me. They at least get more bass phasing and require more pitch bending than if I put 40 seconds into moving the downbeat and a few seconds into making sure the tempo is actually right (which it's often not).

And no matter what I do, I can't give myself brain freeze. I've held icecream, ice, super-chilled ice, etc. against the nerve in the top of my mouth that I know causes it. I've re-chilled crushed ice with salter water and more ice. I've chugged water that was chilled so that it was below 0C without being solid (freshman chem lab)...that one caused a lot of pain at the back of my throat and left me coughing. I can't make brain freeze happen.

My conclusion is that the entire world is in on a practical joke to convince me that auto-gridding and brain freeze actually work.

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

Imperfections I am talking about ate not beat I mean from volume and eq to general mastering where in a studio atmosphere it would be a no no but in a heat of the moment type environment it is acceptable.... I use serato and I know it is not a huge deal to setup grids as they are normally fairly accurate in just saying I've never bothered because I don't find where sync accomplishes anything for me...

In my mind snap and quant are far bigger things then sync... This is why this debate always troubles me.... This is also why i don't understand the need for sync if you have quant and snap... Unless you just are flat out lazy you should be able to beat match either manually or by matching the bpm values and nudging and even adjusting as needed... Which makes sync pointless and with snap and quant this is where the magic comes from

[kooper1980]

Honestly, auto-gridding is in the same place of my mind as brain freeze.

Everyone else says it happens (auto-grids working or brain freeze happening).

I know why they should work...I actually have studied dsp and get it, and I know the nerves involved in causing brain freeze.

But tracks don't auto-grid for me. They at least get more bass phasing and require more pitch bending than if I put 40 seconds into moving the downbeat and a few seconds into making sure the tempo is actually right (which it's often not).

And no matter what I do, I can't give myself brain freeze. I've held icecream, ice, super-chilled ice, etc. against the nerve in the top of my mouth that I know causes it. I've re-chilled crushed ice with salter water and more ice. I've chugged water that was chilled so that it was below 0C without being solid (freshman chem lab)...that one caused a lot of pain at the back of my throat and left me coughing. I can't make brain freeze happen.

My conclusion is that the entire world is in on a practical joke to convince me that auto-gridding and brain freeze actually work.

haha great response!!

[mostapha]

Imperfections I am talking about ate not beat I mean from volume and eq to general mastering where in a studio atmosphere it would be a no no but in a heat of the moment type environment it is acceptable.... I use serato and I know it is not a huge deal to setup grids as they are normally fairly accurate in just saying I've never bothered because I don't find where sync accomplishes anything for me...

In my mind snap and quant are far bigger things then sync... This is why this debate always troubles me.... This is also why i don't understand the need for sync if you have quant and snap... Unless you just are flat out lazy you should be able to beat match either manually or by matching the bpm values and nudging and even adjusting as needed... Which makes sync pointless and with snap and quant this is where the magic comes from

Right, but if it's not taking anything away either, why not do away with those few seconds?

As for snap and quant....I like snap if the grid is right. If you need something to be on beat, it works well. If you need it off beat, it's easy to turn it off. Quant....I like it again because it saves time as long as what you want to do lines up....which it usually does.

It is worth noting that I don't drum cuepoints. If I did, I'd turn quant off. And I like that in Traktor, you can set the remix decks to ignore quant for one-shots, which works better.

IDK....I just like electronic music mostly tied to a rigid grid.

[keithace]

i guess i must be the last A to B mixer on the planet...

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

i guess i must be the last A to B mixer on the planet...

Peep my mixcloud mixes 90% are all a to b very rarely do I jump cues unless I know my phrase is off then I do...

Roughly 50% of my library has a cue point marker for first 3 64 measure phrases

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

I do them as I am mixing I've taken to doing them while track a is playing through this serves two purposes to have me stay focused and to also provide me with accurate way to correct a phrase as some tracks don't follow the 64 measure layout

[TonyRome]

Auto grid works most of the time for me... I won't comment on the brain freeze thing though. Too painful a memory.
If anything, I usually have to make slight adjustments. The way I see it, as long as you are consistent in the way you grid your tracks, it will always work out.

[mostapha]

i guess i must be the last A to B mixer on the planet...

As much as I like the awesome new possibilities, I could do 95% of my mixing on a pair of 1200s and a 2-channek mixer.

The vast majority of the best sets I've heard were done on at most 3 decks and nothing super fancy.

Really, the only exception I can think of off the top of my head was Richie Hawtin, and honestly....it's worth noting that he plays minimal.

A DJ's number one job is to have great taste in music and to be able to play it to a crowd's mood. Everything else is garnish.