Traktor ban... Start of a new trend?

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

YouTube search 10min mix and you will see why am almost embarrassed to say I use a controller..... Around my group of Dj friends.... Utter garbage I'm sorry most the shit is so horrible it's unreal. Seriously mashing effects out of sync beat grids even snap and quant cant fix horribly off beat cue juggling...... Like fuck me only effects needed are filters and delays master thoose before you start your anal fisting finger fucked button mash like a 8 year old in 1995 on street fighter.

I 100% agree with the facts presented in original Facebook post... BUT if they say can play on anything then make them first play on the hose cdjs before accommodating their controller request.. Fuck and club has a modern mixer with get this half accurate bpm read out... If you can't even gimp yourself through with that then get off the decks....

I am tired of this oh it's the future oh it's the way.... Button mashing is never the way it's a harder skill then beatmatching... Layer effects is a great addition but right time right place is important...

This hold true to when the djm500 hit clubs and streets your were hearing tons of mixes being done use heavy flanges effects with a back spin..

Promoters I am sorry but stay outta the blow and MDMA and listen to a mix tape before you book... Been going on for years good promoters will sen a kid away in tears ripping his mix apart an in 3 months kid will come back and be ok enough to open.... Don't whine about not having time... If you don't have time what makes you think your Dj has time to download anything but beatport top playlists.... Seriously

Far too many sets of top 10 tracks being played when I was big into it years ago I'd scour for vinyl or promo CDs to have that unique remix that killer track that was tucked on a b side and hammer it.

Trance epic 2 to 3 minute transitions
Disco/funk house layerd tracks 5 minute mixes heavy on the high pass walk through the low pass

Tech/prog house long mixes 3 to 4 deck satisfaction eq juggling of bass lines tones hats

Top 40 beatmatched phased vocals don't stop till I stop

Maybe it just comes from being a hobby and passion for over a 15 years that set me apart from most but seriously guy has valid reasons and you can't deny the truth behind what he rants about.

[fullenglishpint]

The truth behind the rant is that shit DJs are shit.

[ZxZDeViLZxZ]

The truth behind the rant is that shit DJs are shit.

100% and controllers have made this a huge amount more then what it used to be as have Craigslist and eBay where people now can sell their stuff after thinking they had the passion and drive

[MaxOne]

Shit DJs are shit DJs

Shit promoters are shit promoters

You simply cant blame the tools.

[oliosky]

I see this place is still full of people talking utter crap from a hugely limited perspective and thinking that it's gospel.



Everyone who's said something similar to the above quote in this thread - You exist in a different world to the real world of dance music, I literally don't know a single (not one) promoter who behaves like this. I'm guessing you all play at awful mainstream meat markets because none of the posts like the one above have had the slightest thing in common with my experience of clubs. I'm think Oliosky has roughly similar experience to me.

Yeah spot on. My perspective, and yours it seems, is not from 7 day a week "nightclub" catering to the mainstream morons, but more from proper electronic music events put on for "the heads". And in the latter case, there is no way your night will continue if you don't hand pick your acts from a quality opener with the right sound to someone who can close off a night properly.

i believe what he (and i ) are talking about, are promoters who dont have a clue on what to look for in a dj
other than how many people they claim they will bring
how many FB likes
and how many times you can find them listed in google

These promoters are the scum of this industry and always will be
They are not promoters because obviously they want the dj to do the work
I would instead call them, temp agents lol

There are some who do it right..... most i have come across..... just do it wrong and YOU are not included in that latter group my friend

Thanks for doing it the right way

I don't think thanks is really in order TBH. It just should be the proper way to book DJs regardless of your event. People used to get that rookie opening guest spot based on word of mouth about your sound and building relationships within the scene (becoming a familiar face at events and building a rapport with the dudes at your local record store etc), not your social media presence or bombarding promoters with mass emails and download links. And subsequently the quality of DJs playing out was ten fold better. It had nothing to do with the equipment used and everything to do with the stringent process applied by promoters that gave the rookie guys an opportunity to play out.

This whole thread wouldn't exist if promoters/booking agents like these Spanish twats and certain people who have posted in this thread weren't being lazy and actually doing their job properly.

[Shishdisma]

Yeah spot on. My perspective, and yours it seems, is not from 7 day a week "nightclub" catering to the mainstream morons, but more from proper electronic music events put on for "the heads". And in the latter case, there is no way your night will continue if you don't hand pick your acts from a quality opener with the right sound to someone who can close off a night properly.



I don't think thanks is really in order TBH. It just should be the proper way to book DJs regardless of your event. People used to get that rookie opening guest spot based on word of mouth about your sound and building relationships within the scene (becoming a familiar face at events and building a rapport with the dudes at your local record store etc), not your social media presence or bombarding promoters with mass emails and download links. And subsequently the quality of DJs playing out was ten fold better. It had nothing to do with the equipment used and everything to do with the stringent process applied by promoters that gave the rookie guys an opportunity to play out.

This whole thread wouldn't exist if promoters/booking agents like these Spanish twats and certain people who have posted in this thread weren't being lazy and actually doing their job properly.

Some great logic used in this post, "massive nightclubs are just shit, so they don't matter, therefore only underground insignificant 'events' apply in this thread!"

I hate to break it to you, but nobody gives a shit about your backyard forestfest with some local "legends," it's the actual major clubs with the "lazy" promoters that make the DJ world spin. Until you actually have experience with the majority of the DJ world, it's best not to put sweeping generalisations on things, especially regarding most of clubland as "mainstream morons."

Then again, Im forced to remind myself that half of this forum thinks nobody uses CDs anymore...

[oliosky]

Some great logic used in this post, "massive nightclubs are just shit, so they don't matter, therefore only underground insignificant 'events' apply in this thread!"

I hate to break it to you, but nobody gives a shit about your backyard forestfest with some local "legends," it's the actual major clubs with the "lazy" promoters that make the DJ world spin. Until you actually have experience with the majority of the DJ world, it's best not to put sweeping generalisations on things, especially regarding most of clubland as "mainstream morons."

Then again, Im forced to remind myself that half of this forum thinks nobody uses CDs anymore...

You're not "breaking" anything to me there sweetheart. Also, I said nothing about the size of the club, more the type of event. You obviously don't really care about the underground side of things, just numbers through the door for a mainstream venue and I get that this what you are about. But you outlined your DJ selection process a few pages back and it was straight up fucking laziness.

[Shishdisma]

You're not "breaking" anything to me sweetheart. You outlined your DJ selection process a few pages back. It was straight up fucking laziness.

In your mind, how do club promotions work? You obviously have absolutely no experience in it, but what do you think? You seem to have the idea that they're run like a festival, with a lineup that's crafted in entirety months in advance. Id really love to see how you can apply the "not lazy" method to around 10 sets a night, every single night, indefinitely.

[botstein]

In your mind, how do club promotions work? You obviously have absolutely no experience in it, but what do you think? You seem to have the idea that they're run like a festival, with a lineup that's crafted in entirety months in advance. Id really love to see how you can apply the "not lazy" method to around 10 sets a night, every single night, indefinitely.

I'm not sure where you're from or how things go there, but I certainly have tickets to things in the city months, sometimes as far back as 4 months, in advance. I have to disagree and say that I love going to parties that have a full lineup I can look forward too. I also decline to 'slap the pitch fader' or leave home my Maschine/909.

I've never seen someone invested in an SLx and tables, or a mid-high end CDJ rig that didn't know exactly what they were doing at least competently.

Really?

[oliosky]

In your mind, how do club promotions work? You obviously have absolutely no experience in it, but what do you think? You seem to have the idea that they're run like a festival, with a lineup that's crafted in entirety months in advance. Id really love to see how you can apply the "not lazy" method to around 10 sets a night, every single night, indefinitely.

Aaah the "tell me what you think, I've already formulated my retort, but tell me anyway" response. Yeah I'm not really going to engage in that one mate.