Serato vs. Traktor Pro.

[robtronik]

Things TSP does not have that are deal breakers (this is coming from a person who used Traktor for years and then has switched over to Itch):

1 - Flexible beat gridding for tracks with variable tempo.
2 - Ease of setting grids - I can do it with one hand on my laptop in fluid motions. It's unbelievably simple and well thought out. You have to try it to see what I'm talking about. Setting grids in TSP is multi-step process that is tiring IMO.
3 - Superior playlist management and on the fly creation of prep crates for while you are actually dj'ing - all from the HW without ever touching the laptop. In my case, Numark V7 units.

Glad to see TSP has moved to colored waveforms. I will chuckle when all those who said it didn't matter will suddenly realize that they can't live without them now (when they release the software).

Finally, TSP has better effects. No doubt. And the sample capability is impressive.

But for true apples to apples comparison - since you can't get TSP 2.0 yet anyway - is when Itch 2.0 comes out soon.

That will be an eye opening comparison that should be interesting to see what both pieces of software offer at that point.

Here's to competition, but I think Serato has the edge because of the above reasons.

But if your workflow doesn't require those things, then I can see how people like TSP better ... But I wonder how many people have actually used both to have an informed opinion?

Horses for courses or whatever that saying is, right? lol

[padi_04]

Things TSP does not have that are deal breakers (this is coming from a person who used Traktor for years and then has switched over to Itch):

1 - Flexible beat gridding for tracks with variable tempo.
2 - Ease of setting grids - I can do it with one hand on my laptop in fluid motions. It's unbelievably simple and well thought out. You have to try it to see what I'm talking about. Setting grids in TSP is multi-step process that is tiring IMO.
3 - Superior playlist management and on the fly creation of prep crates for while you are actually dj'ing - all from the HW without ever touching the laptop. In my case, Numark V7 units.

1. agree
2. solved with mapping
3. 2º part solved with mapping

[jfd6812]

.......not many people start threads to say that Traktor's working just fine. I might do that right now actually

LOL. That's hysterical.

I haven't had any problems with Traktor/the S4 since switching over to my Mac (none that weren't related to my inexperience w/ digitial djing, anyway). I had loads of problems on my old sony vaio. but that one was pretty old.

I too have wondered why people would use timecode cds, since the cd player in question essentially would work as a controller. familiarity, I guess.

[Karlos Santos]

Karlos, have you seen the exact sales figure reports for MI class products?

How do you know whether TSP is selling better than Serato products?

I'd like to know because that sounds unfounded to me - or pure speculation. What's the deal?

Nope... no figures, no facts just heresay and a few tips (yes some facts) shared to me by a guy (not affiliated to any company).

Anyone is free to disagree, i dont much care. Its just what i think.
Its only opinion.

Im not being silly, i know people wont / cant accept it but does anyone really think that it is implausible that NIs marketing has performed wonders over the last few years whereas Seratos has slumped.


The thing is. This forum is very US centric. It is. People often trot out this "Serato is use more than Traktor" and its always US citizens.
You never hear a European say this. But also you rarely hear a European say "why is traktor more popular than Serato". I dont know the reason, maybe is beacause SSL has been around a long time in the US and the market (traditionally a hiphop market) is SO HUGE in the US. Its understandable that people have this opinion.
What i cannot fathom why people cannot accept that things are changing and that maybe the change hasnt yet ben felt in the clubs yet.

I dunno. Id be surprised if i was completely wrong but if i am no-one seems to able to come up with anything to convince me other than more people use SSL in clubs which is kinda obvious.

like i say, i dunno.

[robtronik]

1. agree
2. solved with mapping
3. 2º part solved with mapping

Per number 3, you can't see two playlists at once like you can with Serato. You see your main window of tracks and your prep tracks at the same time.

Again, workflow - the screen design has a limitation.

With regard to number 2 (heh, heh. lol) - you can't set the lock to make sure the grid is set by mapping. Unless I missed something. You have still click through to ensure that your beatgrid is locked.

rob.

[Nosferatu]

You just answered your own question on if it's valid or not. SSL=plug and play. TSP/KS4=tweak your system until it works properly... even when your system meets or exceeds the requirements.

yeah... by "configure" I meant following these steps...

1. Format hard drive
2. Install OS
3. Install Drivers and Software
4. Rock the house!!

Instead, there were folks installing Traktor on machines with all kinds of stuff going on (default OS loads from HP, Dell, etc...)

(just one more rant...)

1. The SSL support forum has thousands of threads from folks with issues.

"it just works"???

I think not!

Much love to DJTT...

[padi_04]

With regard to number 2 (heh, heh. lol) - you can't set the lock to make sure the grid is set by mapping. Unless I missed something. You have still click through to ensure that your beatgrid is locked.

rob.

since ProS4 you can

[robtronik]

Nope... no figures, no facts just heresay and a few tips (yes some facts) shared to me by a guy (not affiliated to any company).

Anyone is free to disagree, i dont much care. Its just what i think.
Its only opinion.

Im not being silly, i know people wont / cant accept it but does anyone really think that it is implausible that NIs marketing has performed wonders over the last few years whereas Seratos has slumped.


The thing is. This forum is very US centric. It is. People often trot out this "Serato is use more than Traktor" and its always US citizens.
You never hear a European say this. But also you rarely hear a European say "why is traktor more popular than Serato". I dont know the reason, maybe is beacause SSL has been around a long time in the US and the market (traditionally a hiphop market) is SO HUGE in the US. Its understandable that people have this opinion.
What i cannot fathom why people cannot accept that things are changing and that maybe the change hasnt yet ben felt in the clubs yet.

I dunno. Id be surprised if i was completely wrong but if i am no-one seems to able to come up with anything to convince me other than more people use SSL in clubs which is kinda obvious.

like i say, i dunno.

The US market is huge. I used to the Director of U.S. Markets for Propellerhead Software (the makers of Reason, etc.) for almost two years.

I've seen the data and the impact that sales in the U.S. vs. those in Europe for NI and other companies.

If there is any correlation between MI related software sales in the DAW/MI world and DJ software (and I'm sure there is), then you just can't simply say that NI is outselling Serato in this area.

The U.S. market is twice as big as the euro market easily, and I think when you think of TSP in europe, you think electronic dance music - and if that is your world (as it is mine), you tend to see TSP everywhere.

But EDM in the states is small. But the pop music hip hop world is massive.

And anyone DJing in that world is using Serato's offerings.

The factors I bring up above do not correlate with marketing per se at this point. Marketing is doing what it is supposed to do, change your perception.

In the area of NI trying to change the perception that TSP is the one to beat, is doing quite well. But perception does not often equal reality.

Something to consider since it appears that you are relying on hearsay.

rob.

[robtronik]

since ProS4 you can

I see, so you need the S4 right now but not available to TSP users yet.

So, still not available unless you spend $1000.

hm. :P

[padi_04]

I see, so you need the S4 right now but not available to TSP users yet.

So, still not available unless you spend $1000.

hm. :P

It means it's highly possible the feature will be ported to Traktor 2, not that you need TS4. So it translates: not available till april 1st.