WHY do so many people here use and suggest the S2/S4??

[MiL0]

two Midi Fighter 3D's, a Behringer CMD MM-1, and a NI sound card. An Audio 10, so I can mix externally when the event has a four channel mixer, and so I can use turntables if I feel like bringing them.

Also a CMD PL-1 for times that I need tempo control when I don't have CDJs or Vinyl to play on. They'll apparently have some of the only high-res pitch faders and jogwheels that Traktor supports, because they're 14-bit midi.
Also, even when I do have timecode set up, I'll probably use the PL-1 for effects, because eight led ring, PUSH BUTTON encoders is just too good to pass up, even though they might not be necessary.

Whole set up will cost $1000, as I'm buying the Audio 10 used. Plus I'll probably get more than half of that for my S4 when the time comes.


EDIT: Obviously, this is all dependent on trying out the MM-1 and PL-1 for build quality when they come out, but they have incredible reviews thus far.

it's interesting that you're talking about build quality and Behringer in the same thread!

I agree with almost everything you've said thus far, but let's not forget that the only CMD units seen in the wild have been hand built prototypes so any 'reviews' should be taken with a pinch of salt... Behringer have a LOT of work to do if they're gonna try and fix their reputation in this regard.

That said, I'm strangely optimistic that they're gonna be excellent controllers... lol... we'll have to wait and see though.

[Shishdisma]

it's interesting that you're talking about build quality and Behringer in the same thread!

I agree with almost everything you've said thus far, but let's not forget that the only CMD units seen in the wild have been hand built prototypes so any 'reviews' should be taken with a pinch of salt... Behringer have a LOT of work to do if they're gonna try and fix their reputation in this regard.

That said, I'm strangely optimistic that they're gonna be excellent controllers... lol... we'll have to wait and see though.

Yeahh, I was kind of wondering how this thread went to a nerdrage rant about how bad S4s are, to "hey look at the pile of Behringer's newest cheap MIDI crap I'm buying."

If you're actually angry about the build quality of the S4 (u seem vry mad bro), you're going to be enraged when your setup consists entirely of a pile of customer-beta Behringer equipment.

[MelloState]

dont knock berhinger
I had a DDM4000 for a few days till I got annoyed that the pots didnt sit right, had some bad feedback in the audio and had plastic knobs that felt like jello

[oliosky]

I have a feeling the OP is somewhat inexperienced and talking through his ass.

[ksandvik]

Well, the OP will learn from Behringer gear a lot about reliability... Actually I have a couple of cheap Behringer things like a small mixer that I keep in my rehearsal studio for the keyboards but I doubt I would take that one on-stage...

[oliosky]

To be fair, I've had a pair of Behringer Truthg monitors and a BCR2000 for years and they have never skipped a beat (lol... beat).

[ksandvik]

Anyway, it was indeed funny to complain about NI S4 and then bring an unproven Behringer controller to the thread as the better alternative. If it would have been Pio gear, or A&H I would have understood the point.

[Jester]

Guys, lets keep this one on track. S2/S4 discussion

[Saurus]

Mil0 summed up my thoughts about the CMD line pretty well... Shishdisma, you still don't know shit.

Nem0nic is a very frequent user on these forums, and he is the main creator of the CMD series. He's been saying all along that he was going to focus on putting the build quality miles beyond Behringer's usual. When NAMM happened, every review of them was consistent with that, so even if you don't put any faith in Nemonic as a fellow DJTT user, there's also every single person who touched them at NAMM to consider. I'm still not entirely sold yet, which is why I added the disclaimer that I'm still going to test them out before buying them, but like Mil0 said, I'm hopeful.

Maybe they are too good to be true.... The best-designed controllers on the market, for $100-$150, AND they have high build quaity? I can see why you'd be skeptical... but cheap modular controllers do have a history of surprising us... Look at the Akai mini series and the korg micro series: Both are INCREDIBLY cheap, but the build quality of either really isn't all that bad. I can see how this is more of a stretch... But the information is pointing to a miracle here.

I have a feeling the OP is somewhat inexperienced and talking through his ass.

Really... Did you read my explanation of my new rig? I know what I'm talking about, champ. This is a new account, (password PHAIL ) I've been here for years.

[Saurus]

Guys, lets keep this one on track. S2/S4 discussion

errr....Oh... Fair.
Also thank you.... I really do want to hear people's legitimate counterpoints to what I dropped.

(Although i gotta point out... The people with the high post counts are more or less on my side here... and they tend to know their shit around here)