Curious how you handle elitist vinyl djs.
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    Default Curious how you handle elitist vinyl djs.

    I've never really had any issue with vinyl djs acting all high & mighty around me while I am throwing down a set. Only recently have I encountered this. Granted he was drunk out of his mind, but he is somebody I consider a friend, so therefore it holds a little more weight than it would otherwise.

    To give a bit of background, I use NI Traktor. Instead of controlling it with a typical interface I see people using that also use a laptop, I use an Akai MPD24 controller. There's a few reasons for this....

    1. The mpd24 was a steal at $160.

    2. I'm not bound to the rules of conventional interfaces. I can program it anyway I please. Nor am I bound by using some program the interface came with that might be obsolete over the course of a few years.

    3. I've yet to find an interface that allows me to control all 4 decks in Traktor. It was easier to just buy a midi knob box and set it up however I want. It has 6 faders, 8 knobs, and 16 pads that have 4 banks. Basically means i can assign 64 diff functions to the 16 pads
    I use the 16 pads for bank A to control the decks main functions to get things in sync and creating loop points. Bank B is all fx and is wicked fun. I can't imagine anybody having the type of flexibility I have with fx using any of the standard digital dj control interfaces I have seen so far. Not knocking them of course. Just explaining why I prefer using this instead.

    Whenever I bring it into a place, people assume I am doing live pa. Last time I played at a party, a buddy of mine who spins came up and started shoulder surfing me. Once he saw that I didn't need to spend all my time keeping a few tracks in sync, he went on the same long winded diatribe he heard when he played some party in MA and brought cd decks. Granted he was hammered out of his mind, and probably went on longer than he meant to. Still kinda irked me to see somebody act all high and mighty when the only concept they understood was that I didn't have to spend much time at all getting shit in sync.

    My point is, if anybody is THAT obsessed over the "purity" of someone's method of expression, they should focus on producing their own shit. Don't get me wrong. There is a HUGE satisfaction in getting two pieces of vinyl in sync with eachother. I don't think any digital means can replicate that feeling as it stands now. I find it even more satisfying however, to layer my own beats and basslines over tracks I know and love. Being able to create something and drop it onto a crowd without having to get it pressed to vinyl, not digging thru a record crate in a dark room, having thousands of songs on a tiny hard drive instead of lugging a crate of wax, being able to get music faster than ordering records online (assuming the track is even on wax). The list goes on. I'll drop a track I love the night I grab it online while the same 12" is still on it's way to somebody else in a plane flying over the friggin Atlantic.

    The analogy I gave this guy for giving me a hard time is this: What if the guy who produced a track that was part of his set came up to him after and said HE should get credit for the entire set on the basis of the fact that the dj didn't know how to produce music? Yes, that argument would be bullshit and pointless, but so is his, and for the exact same reason.

    There's also much to be said for the evolution of technology. I have enough at my fingertips now to completely nail people with a nauseating wall of sound if I chose to do so. I'll still hold back and play a track out if everybody is feeling it. Knowing when to hold back is just as crucial as knowing when to push forward. If somebody turned the knob to 11 with 4 decks for an hour, your intrigue would turn into fatigue real fast. Doesn't matter if you're spinning vinyl or mixing digitally, instinct and taste prevail over everything.

    I'll admit. I have had a couple tracks synced up in Traktor, realized my daughter shit her diaper, changed it and went back to the same tracks still locked in. Do I feel guilty? Maybe the next party I spin at, i'll head off to a corner to read the newspaper while some rinsed Justice track keeps looping the same 4 bars until everybody on the dancefloor goes into a coma.

    So what experience do you have with guys like this? How do you handle it? Did you get into a fistfight outside the club? haha. Let's hear it!

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    Just let them be, and keep dropping your sets for the public. Forget the elitist DJs.

    The crowd is all that matters!
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    different strokes for different folks. i know some people who are really big vinyl snobs, i wish i could be. its too expensive these days and the music i usually play isnt often on vinyl. so i tell people, logistically i have to be either digital or CD.

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    A friend of mine is pretty big into vinyl djing. when he came over and scoffed at my little setup (vci, bcr2000, akai lpd8). I just looked at him, and pressed 2 cue points that were more than 1 bar apart. and I was like... yeah. suck it haha.

    Cool use of the MPD, you should talk to tekky, as he uses the bcr rotary to control traktor (i'm still trying to figure mine out).

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    Yeah, the coolest part ofcourse is, starting off with vinyl, than continue on a controller and completely blasting 'em away technically.

    (Actions speak louder than words, as that trashtalk only leads to a bad vibe that can be felt by the crowd. )
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    yeah, to be honest I cant really blast vinyl dj's away. but I can cue juggle moderately well, which, is just impossible on vinyl, without custom plates. so gg.

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    You are able to perform tighter mixes with controllers & MP3s tbh. SO that's phase one. After that, you are able to sample and start/kick in jams better at your own desire.
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    this thread topic comes up on this forum like every two weeks.


    if you're not getting slagged by vinyl djs for being a laptop dj, you're gonna get slagged by cover bands for not playing an instrument, you're gonna get slagged by drunken whores for not being their personal jukebox, you're gonna get slagged by other laptop djs for not playing the style of music they like...

    basically, grow a pair of jewels and learn how to not let the opinions of wankers psyche you out.

    i do what i do because i love it. if people want to critique me because of how I do it, that's their perogative - but it really doesn't make a difference to me. haters are a pretty sad type of people and more likely than not they are just sorting out their own self-esteem and fragile ego issues by shit talking other people.
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    I wait till they are on stage, and walk to the parking lot and crap through the sunroof of their car. Then carve the word "SERATO" on their hood, leaving a shattered timecode vinyl by the drivers side door. They usually get the message.

    I recommend ignoring them first though.

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    Lol

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